Just_a_fan wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018, 09:50
roon wrote: ↑02 Jul 2018, 07:21
Yet, people sign in here and with all the grace of a drooling chimpanzee slap their hands against a computer keyboard, miraculously forming coherent sentences, to complain about a sport they have little comprehension of.
Brilliant! Give that man a prize - the best thing I've read on here in many a moon.
why the complaining about supposed lack of overtaking?
Do you guys (he who feels adressed, feel free to feel as such) even watch F1?
Verstappen on Raikkonen, just to name one. how about Alonso's race.
How about Vettel on Hamilton. Daniels regular late-brake-dive-ins.
Just to name a tiny few of last race.
you guys act like there's no overtaking at all, and it's actually the opposite.
Hamilton vs Rosberg was a prime example of 'great battles' on track, and those were 2 identical cars.
All this whining about nothing, just wow.
If any, aero developments have made DRS have a far less impact than it had before, when it was freshly introduced.
DRS caused an 'immense' raise in overtaking. but it's fully artificial, it's quite frankly unfair. look at how it was before DRS introduction.
it's mentioned before by others; the pink glasses. you don't have to go to the 70s or 80s. It's as recent as in the early 2000's too, looking with 'nostalgia' to the supposedly 'better' f1 cars of 2006 for example.
Even then it was the same.
If there is one thing to point a finger at in regards to how overtaking has become more difficult, it is that the rules have rather reduced 'artistic' freedom of various approaches to car design, resulting in rather similar approaches and thus, similar cars. Same goes for engines; theyre rather pretty much the same, also in their approach.
People confuse a full race with race moments, and confuse momentary overtaking with actual overtaking.
What i mean by that is that for example when there was still fueling, cars had huge different strategies.
So you saw lighter cars (with less fuel) overtaking heavier cars relatively 'easy'. The lighter car however at some point needs to refuel, and later on, the car that was heavier now is lighter and either overtakes the now heavy former car.
Is this overtaking? sure. is it fair? well, back than, one car had like what, a 40kg advantage in weight (less fuel) and now the car has an advantage of opening their rear wing.
in the end, the finish positions are 'the same'. the 'overtaking' never was real overtaking, it was reclaiming your actual position. the same as how for example stroll could be driving in p4 because he has not changed his tires yet. tactics.
'real overtaking' is at the start of the race, and teammates with same cars in same tactics. like Ricciardo vs Verstappen @ Baku for example. Don't tell me you didn't see those overtakes, back and forth.
Hamilton vs Rosberg, another example. etc. etc.
Overtaking is not dead at all.
Without attacking anyone, there's a lot of 'oldwives tales' going on.
I think you're wrong. Next year we're going to get a larger front wing (very minor improvement for following cars), but the DRS effect will be greater so any differences on race pace between cars is going to have an arguably much bigger effect position vice. You have a point though, in that the 2017 regulation change made it much harder for the cars to follow one another, compared to the previous formula.
nothing to do with f1. 