2018 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 20-22

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Does it need to be called as to who among the current drivers is the best Wet track driver?

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matt_b wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:12
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 09:55
Rain is Merc's only chance.
What makes you think they have the best package in the rain? I think they would prefer dry with cooler temperatures thanks to cloud cover.
Because Hamilton is a beast in wet conditions. The rain can neutralize the playing field when it comes to the cars. The drivers start to make more of a difference. Max races well in the rain. As does Lewis.

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F1NAC wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:32
Based on last wet quali, Ferrari went really bad. (Was it Monza? Last wet Q?
Yep.

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GPR-A wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:32
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 09:55
Rain is Merc's only chance.
Was that the case in the last 3 qualifyings?
Absolutely valid point. I just think a wet quali would bring out the best in Hamilton.

I also think that somehow, Merc's car tends to perform a little better with the taller wet/intermediate compound tires. It seems the slightly taller tires pair well with the rake of the car.

I believe either Ant or Paul caught on to the fact that the Merc starts to get some separation from the field on those compounds on a green, cooler track.

The Ferraris tend to like rubbered in tracks and hot conditions. Which is one reason that I think the Ferrari always gets stronger over the course of a weekend (track evolution). While all cars benefit from track evolution, Ferrari always seems to eke out a bit more.

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zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:41
F1NAC wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:32
Based on last wet quali, Ferrari went really bad. (Was it Monza? Last wet Q?
Yep.
This year's Ferrari has a lot more downforce so they wont suffer like last year

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fabian77 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:56
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:41
F1NAC wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:32
Based on last wet quali, Ferrari went really bad. (Was it Monza? Last wet Q?
Yep.
This year's Ferrari has a lot more downforce so they wont suffer like last year
All the cars do. This year's Ferrari has more efficient downforce, maybe. And less drag. But last year's Ferrari was a downforce king with the way it performed at Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore.

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Phil wrote:
20 Jul 2018, 23:53
AMuS analysis suggests longrun pace is pretty even across Ferrari and Merc. Possibly a tad in Mercedes favor. It will come down to qualifying, i guess.
https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/stat ... 8195885058

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zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:59
fabian77 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:56
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:41


Yep.
This year's Ferrari has a lot more downforce so they wont suffer like last year
All the cars do. This year's Ferrari has more efficient downforce, maybe. And less drag. But last year's Ferrari was a downforce king with the way it performed at Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore.
That was also due to the much shorter wheelbase which helps in slow speed corners. Merc does not have the car and engine advantage it once had. Plus Max is a demon in the wet.

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fabian77 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 11:05
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:59
fabian77 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:56

This year's Ferrari has a lot more downforce so they wont suffer like last year
All the cars do. This year's Ferrari has more efficient downforce, maybe. And less drag. But last year's Ferrari was a downforce king with the way it performed at Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore.
That was also due to the much shorter wheelbase which helps in slow speed corners. Merc does not have the car and engine advantage it once had. Plus Max is a demon in the wet.
Last year’s Ferrari ought to have been very good in the wet - it was the winner at all the max downforce tracks after all.

I think though we have to remember that it was Monza and teams are running with trimmed wings etc. The Mercedes at the time certainly still had the best engine so could afford to carry more downforce than most.

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zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:44
GPR-A wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:32
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 09:55
Rain is Merc's only chance.
Was that the case in the last 3 qualifyings?
Absolutely valid point. I just think a wet quali would bring out the best in Hamilton.

I also think that somehow, Merc's car tends to perform a little better with the taller wet/intermediate compound tires. It seems the slightly taller tires pair well with the rake of the car.

I believe either Ant or Paul caught on to the fact that the Merc starts to get some separation from the field on those compounds on a green, cooler track.

The Ferraris tend to like rubbered in tracks and hot conditions. Which is one reason that I think the Ferrari always gets stronger over the course of a weekend (track evolution). While all cars benefit from track evolution, Ferrari always seems to eke out a bit more.
It doesnt make any sense what you are saying, temperature evolution during weekends might go from hot to cold and vice versa.

If anything the performance of the mercedes last year in monza was largely due to lewis performance rather than mercedes being tood on those tyres.

Furthermore this year we have a longer wheelbase ferrari which is behaving a much different than last years model.

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GPR-A wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:32
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 09:55
Rain is Merc's only chance.
Was that the case in the last 3 qualifyings?
Last 3 qualies didnt use the same tyre compund and let us not forget than on average in silverstone ferrari qualified better with both drivers, bottas being over .300 behind lewis and the 2 ferrari drivers.

If the eace pace from germany indicates something that this is that in normal conditions this track is a slam dunk for ferrari

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f1316 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 11:36
fabian77 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 11:05
zibby43 wrote:
21 Jul 2018, 10:59


All the cars do. This year's Ferrari has more efficient downforce, maybe. And less drag. But last year's Ferrari was a downforce king with the way it performed at Monaco, Hungary, and Singapore.
That was also due to the much shorter wheelbase which helps in slow speed corners. Merc does not have the car and engine advantage it once had. Plus Max is a demon in the wet.
Last year’s Ferrari ought to have been very good in the wet - it was the winner at all the max downforce tracks after all.

I think though we have to remember that it was Monza and teams are running with trimmed wings etc. The Mercedes at the time certainly still had the best engine so could afford to carry more downforce than most.
One need to remember that, Lance Stroll impressed by out qualifying the Ferraris in qualifying at Monza! It was just that the Ferrari drivers got it wrong.

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So Lewis is sick and isn't participating in FP3!

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Really?
And they call it a stall. A STALL!

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