2018 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 20-22

[foxmulder_ms]

This sport can really learn a thing or two from MotoGP.. Never seen a teamorder there in my life. I am really considering to stop watching F1 completely.

The sport offers zero amusement. And any amusement that’s there, gets destroyed by the teams.

haha, do it. I mean stop watching. Because team orders is older than F1 in F1

Haha yeah perfect team radio they had 40 years ago

Yeah, radio is a must for team orders

[LionKing]

In 2016 Baku Kimi got a 5 sec penalty for this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I958MNEo2wA

[foxmulder_ms]

By the way, Kimi is doing quite good. He is still capable delivering. I would give him another year. Legend..

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Boooo Mercedes. Shame on you. I don't think Bottas would have made it past though and Hamilton is too strong in these kind of conditions. But still.

Farrari’s team orders earlier made Raikkonen give Vettel the place.

Because Raikkonen was supposed to be on a 2 stop strategy. That's why he spent as many laps in front of Vettel as he did. It was only after he started hurting Vettel's tires (by being in Raikkonen's dirty air) that hey decided to let Vettel go. Chance of rain made Ferrari keep Raikkonen out. I don't know which race you were watching if you did not know all this. If it was clear team orders, Raikkonen would not have spent a single lap in front of Vettel. And yes, let's just conveniently forget Austria.

Keep going on. Nice to hear.

[Sevach]

At least now no one will be able to complain about the blatant team orders we will see from now on.

[DVB]

This sport can really learn a thing or two from MotoGP.. Never seen a teamorder there in my life. I am really considering to stop watching F1 completely.

The sport offers zero amusement. And any amusement that’s there, gets destroyed by the teams.

Moto GP has had more team orders last years then the F1 race had spins today




Shame for Vettel, best luck next race.

Badass congrats for Hamilton! Keeps delivering under pressure.

[AnotherAlex]

It’s selective you chose NOT to mention it when Ferrari pull a worst trick.
Were Mercedes wrong? Yes
Were Ferrari even more wrong? Yes

Seriously?
Not holding up your team mate before half distance when you're on a different strategy (2-stop vs 1-stop) is sensible - Ferrari's only mistake was not telling Raikkonen to let Vettel through right away.

Bottas and Hamilton were both going to the end so if Bottas was to have a chance of winning he'd have to challenge Hamilton on the track.
(That said, risking a collision at that point would have been foolish and Mercedes are backing Hamilton for the WDC so telling their drivers to hold station was the sensible thing to do.)

[matt_b]

Everyone who was begging Ferrari to let Seb past Kimi cannot moan at Mercedes for also employing team orders.

[Just_a_fan]

This sport can really learn a thing or two from MotoGP.. Never seen a teamorder there in my life. I am really considering to stop watching F1 completely.

The sport offers zero amusement. And any amusement that’s there, gets destroyed by the teams.

haha, do it. I mean stop watching. Because team orders is older than F1 in F1

Haha yeah perfect team radio they had 40 years ago

1956 - Fangio was given is team mate's car...

F1 is a team sport, no matter what the media would like us to believe.

[Vasconia]

- no such compulsion with Mercedes who, once again, blatantly use team orders (nothing wrong with that, but they and their fans like pretend that’s a Ferrari thing)

It was only after Bottas did try to pass Hamilton and failed that Mercedes told him to hold station. After the SC came in he had a pretty big go at it, but he couldn't pull it off. Nothing wrong there, methinks. Mercedes just didn't want to throw away the double.


Can we speculate about how Raikkonen could have won this race if he hadn't had to let Vettel pass?

Being the slowest one of the first four? I doubt it.

[Restomaniac]

Boooo Mercedes. Shame on you. I don't think Bottas would have made it past though and Hamilton is too strong in these kind of conditions. But still.

Farrari’s team orders earlier made Raikkonen give Vettel the place.

Because Raikkonen was supposed to be on a 2 stop strategy. That's why he spent as many laps in front of Vettel as he did. It was only after he started hurting Vettel's tires (by being in Raikkonen's dirty air) that hey decided to let Vettel go. Chance of rain made Ferrari keep Raikkonen out. I don't know which race you were watching if you did not know all this. If it was clear team orders, Raikkonen would not have spent a single lap in front of Vettel. And yes, let's just conveniently forget Austria.

Team orders, are team orders, are team orders. If Vettel was so much faster he should have just passed Raikkonen surely?

[Fulcrum]

I can't fault Hamilton for putting himself in P1 on the road - issuing a team order in those circumstances seems 'reasonable'.

Ferrari on the other hand - just retire Kimi. Go home and enjoy your money. That was insulting, and not just the pass and the conversation that precipitated it. Raikkonen was 4 seconds in front of Hamilton, and should have been pitted 1 lap after Hamilton came in for Ultras. Its like strategy for people with learning difficulties.

It would have been the ideal strategy hedge for the team. One driver on fresh tyres that perform well in damp conditions, he could cover off Hamilton, potentially pass everybody on the fresh rubber and be a blocker (if need be) for Vettel; and in the event of Vettel making a mistake, Raikkonen would have been the best placed to inherit the lead, and prevent a Mercedes win.

Instead they keep him out on a complete nothing strategy, with the oldest tyres that will perform the worst in wet conditions. Then he gets blocked by the B-team idiot to put a cherry on the cake, which ultimately cost him 2nd, and possibly first (again) considering how slow Hamilton was with cold tyres.

If only Ferrari weren't so damn myopic they might actually win a few more races.

[Phil]

I get that many are asking for Hamilton's head for not entering the pits - arguably, this split second decision of staying out won him the race. But regardless who it is, do we really want the FIA to intervene/change race results on something that didn't cause any harm to anyone?

[GrayGreat]

Farrari’s team orders earlier made Raikkonen give Vettel the place.

Because Raikkonen was supposed to be on a 2 stop strategy. That's why he spent as many laps in front of Vettel as he did. It was only after he started hurting Vettel's tires (by being in Raikkonen's dirty air) that hey decided to let Vettel go. Chance of rain made Ferrari keep Raikkonen out. I don't know which race you were watching if you did not know all this. If it was clear team orders, Raikkonen would not have spent a single lap in front of Vettel. And yes, let's just conveniently forget Austria.

Keep going on. Nice to hear.

Heh. Typical reply from someone that hasn't got anything to say. Your favourite just won the race so why don't you celebrate and stop worrying about what other posters are saying here. Just saying...

[MtthsMlw]

4d) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), the crossing, in any direction, of the line separating the pit entry and the track by a car entering the pit lane is prohibited.