Turbocharger for a little F1 car

[flynfrog]

When I source these items, I may just order 50 sets of parts at the same time, so that way I have extra parts to play around with the original prototype, and if it delivers the desired results, I will donate one to the team of your choice for testing...

Thanks!

Chris

How do you plan on dealing with the heat? teflon and mylar are not going to hold any kind of tolerance when they are dealing with air temps at 2 bar

[Conceptual]

When I source these items, I may just order 50 sets of parts at the same time, so that way I have extra parts to play around with the original prototype, and if it delivers the desired results, I will donate one to the team of your choice for testing...

Thanks!

Chris

How do you plan on dealing with the heat? teflon and mylar are not going to hold any kind of tolerance when they are dealing with air temps at 2 bar

The teflon discs that encounter the incoming exhaust directly are only 25% of the stack, and per the manufacturer, are rated at 600 degrees F.

If I have to, I can send it through a vortex tube and separate the hot and cold air before sending it into the charger.

This will be finished by the end of the summer, so I will report when I have the prototype finished.

Chris

[flynfrog]

When I source these items, I may just order 50 sets of parts at the same time, so that way I have extra parts to play around with the original prototype, and if it delivers the desired results, I will donate one to the team of your choice for testing...

Thanks!

Chris

How do you plan on dealing with the heat? teflon and mylar are not going to hold any kind of tolerance when they are dealing with air temps at 2 bar

The teflon discs that encounter the incoming exhaust directly are only 25% of the stack, and per the manufacturer, are rated at 600 degrees F.

If I have to, I can send it through a vortex tube and separate the hot and cold air before sending it into the charger.

This will be finished by the end of the summer, so I will report when I have the prototype finished.

Chris

they wont melt at 600 but they may or may not hold there shape well. especially at the speeds you are talking about. Are they going to start looking like CDs in die grinder right before they let go?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98e9UfbszlA

I was looking for a high speed camera video of one they cd starts to warp from the RPM







I did find this though but they are spinning much slower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yR2MeeM0PI

[Conceptual]

they wont melt at 600 but they may or may not hold there shape well. especially at the speeds you are talking about. Are they going to start looking like CDs in die grinder right before they let go?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98e9UfbszlA

I was looking for a high speed camera video of one they cd starts to warp from the RPM







I did find this though but they are spinning much slower

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yR2MeeM0PI

I understand what you are saying, I have seen that episode of Myth Busters before...

What you are missing from my design is that the discs are not mounted via the shaft hole in the center, there are several holes drilled around the perimeter that accept the spacing bolt, with washers in between.

If you read Tesla's work on this, you will know that shaft mounting the discs is inefficient, because the radial bolts that use washers for spacing near the outer edge of the discs is where you can control the torque transfer between the liquid and the discs themselves.

On my 3" prototype, there will be 8 bolts through the stack, and they will suspend the stack of discs and spacers off of the aluminum washer that is bolted to the shaft in the center.

I can't really explain it any better, you are gonna just have to wait for the prototype pics/vid to see what I am talking about!

Chris

[carvetia]

Interesting topic, good luck i'm eager to see how your project goes (both conceptual and lightsun).

[Jersey Tom]

120hp? Try more along the lines of 80. 280-300kg sounds about right though.

To be honest it really doesn't sound like you're too prepared for the undertaking. Assemble an engine team and work on a turbo option on a dyno for a year or two, while the 09 car is NA.. best bet.

[Carlos]

What I'm looking forward to is Conceptual's Tesla Turbine Turbocharger.

[Conceptual]

What I'm looking forward to is Conceptual's Tesla Turbine Turbocharger.

Dont get too excited Carlos. The first iteration will be more of a Tesla Turbine/Vortex tube combination to test some things. I need to see how much CFM I can push with the Tesla in relation to size.

If it requires 8 inch discs, then it will have a HUGE disadvantage over conventional turbo-chargers. It will only be feasible if I can get the required pressure and CFM from 3-4 inch discs....

So, the first proto is in process. The order for the mylar discs has been placed, and I actually got a Vortex Tube manuf. to let me "borrow" several sizes so I can test the Turbine.

Now, all I need is to find some specific PVC pipe fittings, or I am going to have to mush some stuff together, and lose efficiency in the process.

I sincerely hope that I can find the perfect housing from already made parts!

Updates to follow...

Chris