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viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27242&start=750M840TR wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 12:05Mark Hughes:
"Other team mates have been further off me than Stoffel," said Alonso. It's true. Here are the numbers:
Vandoorne ('17)+0.195%
Fisichella ('06)+0.224%
Grosjean ('09)+0.386%
Massa ('11)+0.427%
Massa ('10)+0.460%
Räikkönen ('14)+0.549%
Fisichella ('05)+0.550%
Piquet ('08)+0.598%
I just checked a couple of Qualifyings and it seems accurate.makecry wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 13:12M840TR wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 12:05Mark Hughes:
"Other team mates have been further off me than Stoffel," said Alonso. It's true. Here are the numbers:
Vandoorne ('17)+0.195%
Fisichella ('06)+0.224%
Grosjean ('09)+0.386%
Massa ('11)+0.427%
Massa ('10)+0.460%
Räikkönen ('14)+0.549%
Fisichella ('05)+0.550%
Piquet ('08)+0.598%
Those numbers are not accurate. Stoffel was further back.
I did.
The median is not the average.makecry wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 14:19I did.
The numbers are not accurate at all.
The Stoffel's number for 0.195% is not accurate. Alonso out-qualified Vandoorne 16-3 with a median gap of 0.445%.The gap between them was significantly larger in the first half of the season (0.630% vs. 0.195%), while the tallies were similar (8-1 vs. 8-2).
He has pulled the number out of thin air after applying some really weird performance equalizers to his entire equation.
Median is a better indicator. Average is not a good indicator when there are outliers.rscsr wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 15:03The median is not the average.makecry wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 14:19I did.
The numbers are not accurate at all.
The Stoffel's number for 0.195% is not accurate. Alonso out-qualified Vandoorne 16-3 with a median gap of 0.445%.The gap between them was significantly larger in the first half of the season (0.630% vs. 0.195%), while the tallies were similar (8-1 vs. 8-2).
He has pulled the number out of thin air after applying some really weird performance equalizers to his entire equation.
I personally came to a difference of 0.354%. I included every qualifying session they both drove, so Q1 and Q2. I compared Q1 times to Q1 times and Q2 times to Q2 times. If for instance Vandoorne got knocked out in Q1 and Alonso did not, I would not factor in Alonso's Q2 time. Which is fair, conditions can quickly vary between Q sessions and to omit as many variables as possible, only the times they set in roughly the same period should matter.makecry wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 14:19I did.
The numbers are not accurate at all.
The Stoffel's number for 0.195% is not accurate. Alonso out-qualified Vandoorne 16-3 with a median gap of 0.445%.The gap between them was significantly larger in the first half of the season (0.630% vs. 0.195%), while the tallies were similar (8-1 vs. 8-2).
He has pulled the number out of thin air after applying some really weird performance equalizers to his entire equation.
Does it make sense to compare Q1 and Q2? Unless, there are some situations like a driver couldn't move into Q2 or Q3 because of some weird issues. But otherwise, drivers typically leave a tenth or two in Q1 and Q2, just to keep some cards close to their chest, away from their team mate. It's always the Q3 (or Q2 for cars that find it hard to get into Q3) that reveals the ultimate potential of the driver-car combo.turbof1 wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 16:05I personally came to a difference of 0.354%. I included every qualifying session they both drove, so Q1 and Q2. I compared Q1 times to Q1 times and Q2 times to Q2 times. If for instance Vandoorne got knocked out in Q1 and Alonso did not, I would not factor in Alonso's Q2 time. Which is fair, conditions can quickly vary between Q sessions and to omit as many variables as possible, only the times they set in roughly the same period should matter.makecry wrote: ↑14 Aug 2018, 14:19I did.
The numbers are not accurate at all.
The Stoffel's number for 0.195% is not accurate. Alonso out-qualified Vandoorne 16-3 with a median gap of 0.445%.The gap between them was significantly larger in the first half of the season (0.630% vs. 0.195%), while the tallies were similar (8-1 vs. 8-2).
He has pulled the number out of thin air after applying some really weird performance equalizers to his entire equation.
Note I counted for every such session including the ones where Vandoorne had a readable downforce handicap. If I omit those, it drops to 0.268%