When a spectacle becomes a parody of his own

[TwanV]

You've convinced someone it seems andres:

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... of+F1.html

[LeClerc]

And he has pictures to prove it

[santos]

This situation will only be different if refueling comes back… This diference in lap times of quali and race, started in 2010.

[mertol]

This situation will only be different if refueling comes back… This diference in lap times of quali and race, started in 2010.

No a big part of it is the shitty tires from pirelli. In 2010 the difference was less than 4 seconds.

[dans79]

It's getting ridiculous now. Honestly, if you aren't happy with the current state of F1, perhaps you should go watch a lower brow form of racing, so those of us who actually enjoy the technical/intellectual side of the sport can continue to do so.

http://www.grandprix.com/news/liberty-e ... fying.html

Auto Motor und Sport reports that under consideration is the addition of a 'Q4' segment in order to add excitement to the Saturday session that determines the grid order.

Each of the new Q1, Q2, Q3 and Q4 segments would be shorter in duration, with fewer cars eliminated.

"We want qualifying to be less predictable, so that it is more likely that the strongest cars can end up in the 'wrong' positions," explained F1 sporting boss Ross Brawn.

[LeClerc]

Way to go. Mess with the part that is not broken

[santos]

This situation will only be different if refueling comes back… This diference in lap times of quali and race, started in 2010.

No a big part of it is the shitty tires from pirelli. In 2010 the difference was less than 4 seconds.

Yes, in 2010 it was around 4 seconds, but in 2009 sometimes the fastest lap in the race, was faster then in quali. Pirelli did the tyres that were asked to do. It was the teams and the FIA that wanted tyres that degrated faster.

[notsofast]

"We want qualifying to be less predictable, so that it is more likely that the strongest cars can end up in the 'wrong' positions," explained F1 sporting boss Ross Brawn.

Cars end up in the wrong position when they get caught out by track evolution. You don't get track evolution when you make the Q segments short.

Remember the old days? One hour of qualifying meant 55 minutes of empty track followed by everyone doing one hot lap at the same time. What fun was that? Brawn's proposal will result in one hot lap in each session.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Andres125sx]

You've convinced someone it seems andres:

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... of+F1.html

Great minds think alike


The weird thing is there´s not more people pointing out this. 11 seconds difference per lap is the difference between F1 and GP2/F2, so basically they are F1 cars in qualifying, and lower the pace to F2 in race trim

[mertol]

This situation will only be different if refueling comes back… This diference in lap times of quali and race, started in 2010.

No a big part of it is the shitty tires from pirelli. In 2010 the difference was less than 4 seconds.

Yes, in 2010 it was around 4 seconds, but in 2009 sometimes the fastest lap in the race, was faster then in quali. Pirelli did the tyres that were asked to do. It was the teams and the FIA that wanted tyres that degrated faster.

That's just excuses that you repeat without a thought.

[strad]

it's clear that the brain starts to do more poorly when it needs to do more things at once.

That's true of most people but part of what separates a race car driver or astronauts and test pilots is that they actually (up to a breaking point) get better as the pressures increase. It's why they can adjust their differential and other things while driving thru a race track at 200 mph.

[zac510]

You've convinced someone it seems andres:

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... of+F1.html

Driver whose whole reputation in F1 was around going slower than his qualifying time

[zac510]

it's clear that the brain starts to do more poorly when it needs to do more things at once.

That's true of most people but part of what separates a race car driver or astronauts and test pilots is that they actually (up to a breaking point) get better as the pressures increase. It's why they can adjust their differential and other things while driving thru a race track at 200 mph.

Yeah no doubt; but what's the breaking point, as a number of laps? Less than the number of laps in a race, surely. Which means that even a top driver could not mentally drive on the edge 'pushing' for an entire race.

[marmer]

it's clear that the brain starts to do more poorly when it needs to do more things at once.

That's true of most people but part of what separates a race car driver or astronauts and test pilots is that they actually (up to a breaking point) get better as the pressures increase. It's why they can adjust their differential and other things while driving thru a race track at 200 mph.

Yeah no doubt; but what's the breaking point, as a number of laps? Less than the number of laps in a race, surely. Which means that even a top driver could not mentally drive on the edge 'pushing' for an entire race.

The mental side of racing would become an issue if the physical side of the race was tough.

Fitness people tell you that your body can deplete its stores of carbohydrates at around 1 - 2 hours depending on level of intensity of activity.

So I suspect an F1 race at around 2 hours max is about right.

In terms of pushing to the limit for qualification lap times seen about right also. The body can sustain high insensitive workout for around two minutes.


So if you made tyres that wouldn't overheat and drop performance I suppose a fitter driver could take advantage of a lessfit driver by maintaining qualification pace for more than a few laps especially behind as that would force the front car to not only drive as fast as possible it also have the stress of being chased.

That was the issue with Singapore

Vettel new he couldn't chase Hamilton down and try and pass his tyres would overheat perhaps much quicker than Hamilton as he was in dirty air.

To round up

We need tyres that can be pushed for perhaps ten minutes as this would go past the humans ability to maintain such a high level of intensity.

Keep race at current level as it's about right for medium intensity.

[proteus]

Engine manufacturers simply killed this sport.

They are holding it as a hostage and i dare to say that atleast until 2021 there will be no other champions than Ferrari, Mercedes or Renault. Redbull might win if they nail collaboration with Honda, which we shall see, but otherwise for others there is no chance at all, no matter what kind of a chasis they produce.