2018 Mexico Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 26-28 October

[NathanOlder]

Vettel will be nowhere near the back of the Redbulls after trying to follow closely through the twisty bit just before the long straight, as long as the Bulls save some deployment to give themselves a boost entering the pit straight they should be far enough ahead to escape the DRS zone and possible slipstream.

Except that Vettel starts right behind them at the start of that very long straight.

[NathanOlder]

Last year the redbull ran away and won by 20s. If these two play nice at the start. They can pick up a nice 1 2.

But last year the only 2 that would have given Max a race were out of contention after 3 corners thanks to Vettels contact with Hamilton.

[GPR-A]

Why are people ranting and bashing Max here? Some people have misquoted Max as saying, "the car was crap", which is not true.

Here are his quotes from the post qualifying interview and press conference.

Track interviews conducted by David Coulthard

Well, it’s the first time in the hybrid turbo era you’ve had a one-two, so congratulations on being part of that and good luck tomorrow. Max, I know you’re going to be disappointed with that. You’ve been the fastest man all the way through the various practice sessions and in the end, Daniel pulled the lap, so tell us about that final lap for you? Where did it slip away?
Max Verstappen: The whole qualifying was crap. Again, the same problems as FP2. Engine braking not like I want to, just rear-locking the car. We tried to make the best of it. I thought it was going to be enough with the problems we had but it’s still good to be second, so we’ll see tomorrow.

Well, we can feel your disappointment. You’re clearly not happy with the way everything is operating. Can you fix those problems for tomorrow?
MV: I’m not sure, but I’ll drive around them.

Press Conference

Definitely exciting. Well done Daniel. Max, we’ve just heard that Daniel’s first sector on that last run wasn’t what he thought was brilliant. Just talk us through your final run in Q3, because you were on pole after the first runs?
MV: It was just not good. I was struggling the whole qualifying, with the same problems I had in FP2, when I had a lot of rear locking, on the down-shifting and when I come off the throttle. Somehow the behaviour was not correct. So we couldn’t do anything throughout qualifying, so I just had to lock a lot of tools, go forward on the brake balance to try and stabilise the whole car. It’s not how you want to do qualifying, normally you go more aggressive and be more aggressive on all the tools. That’s it.

How will those issues affect your race pace tomorrow?
MV: We’ll find out. At the moment I don’t know.

It's not that he is lying, as we all saw the issues in Singapore qualifying and race where there were unusual gear shifts that were hampering him. I can't remember which race, but he complained of similar engine locking issues in another race. It is hardly surprising that such issues affect the confidence of a driver.

Horner mentioned in his interview that, "both had same cars", but nowhere touched upon the issues that Max explained. People have to wait for team coming out with an explanation of the problem OR denying that Max had problems. Until then, it would be unwise to simply throw words that suits a narrative that people prefer to see.

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Horner mentioned in his interview that, "both had same cars", but nowhere touched upon the issues that Max explained. People have to wait for team coming out with an explanation of the problem OR denying that Max had problems. Until then, it would be unwise to simply throw words that suits a narrative that people prefer to see.

the car is like this since SIngapore, and both drivers are facing similar problems. With Ricciardo's driving style it's less of an issue though

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... pen-frust/

[GPR-A]

Horner mentioned in his interview that, "both had same cars", but nowhere touched upon the issues that Max explained. People have to wait for team coming out with an explanation of the problem OR denying that Max had problems. Until then, it would be unwise to simply throw words that suits a narrative that people prefer to see.

the car is like this since SIngapore, and both drivers are facing similar problems. With Ricciardo's driving style it's less of an issue though

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... pen-frust/

And yet, with that kind of smooth driving style Ricciardo has trailed Max with 4-13 in the season in qualifying, including Singapore. If Ric's style is more suited to this troublesome ENGINE, that doesn't explain why he struggled in Singapore and could outsmart Max in qualifying and race.

I am using the same reason that was given on these forums last year that, it's the driving style that is responsible for the Mechanical DNFs. Last year, it was Max that was driving bad and causing more mechanical failures and this year it is Ricciardo! (7 DNFs for Ric and 4 for Max).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorspor ... 802274faa3

“I do a lot of things with my driving style which is very nice to the car. I actually talk to it a lot during the race. I massage it,” Ricciardo said in the post-race press conference.

“I wouldn’t call it foreplay but it’s something like that and Max is young, he’s aggressive, he goes straight in!

“I know you’re shaking your head but I feel like you knew the answer would be something silly like that.”

May be he has forgotten how do it, whereas Max has learnt it.

[darkpino]

It’s funny how people call Max a spoiled brat because of his reaction after Q3. He was the first to congratulate Daniel on his Pole and imo he should be very very dissapointed. He had a perfect weekend and missed it by .026 seconds. That’s not even something you can pinpoint as making a mistake. It was just bad luck imo. He out qualified Daniel all year only didn’t twice when it really mattered.

So yes he should be dissapointed. He’s a racer, if he wasn’t he was having the wrong job.

[Fulcrum]

Horner mentioned in his interview that, "both had same cars", but nowhere touched upon the issues that Max explained. People have to wait for team coming out with an explanation of the problem OR denying that Max had problems. Until then, it would be unwise to simply throw words that suits a narrative that people prefer to see.

the car is like this since SIngapore, and both drivers are facing similar problems. With Ricciardo's driving style it's less of an issue though

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... pen-frust/

And yet, with that kind of smooth driving style Ricciardo has trailed Max with 4-13 in the season in qualifying, including Singapore. If Ric's style is more suited to this troublesome ENGINE, that doesn't explain why he struggled in Singapore and could outsmart Max in qualifying and race.

I am using the same reason that was given on these forums last year that, it's the driving style that is responsible for the Mechanical DNFs. Last year, it was Max that was driving bad and causing more mechanical failures and this year it is Ricciardo! (7 DNFs for Ric and 4 for Max).

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorspor ... 802274faa3

“I do a lot of things with my driving style which is very nice to the car. I actually talk to it a lot during the race. I massage it,” Ricciardo said in the post-race press conference.

“I wouldn’t call it foreplay but it’s something like that and Max is young, he’s aggressive, he goes straight in!

“I know you’re shaking your head but I feel like you knew the answer would be something silly like that.”

May be he has forgotten how do it, whereas Max has learnt it.

Or it's just plain BullST, which seems pretty clear from Daniel's response.

7-4 DNFs is not a statistically significant difference.

[siskue2005]

Vettel will be nowhere near the back of the Redbulls after trying to follow closely through the twisty bit just before the long straight, as long as the Bulls save some deployment to give themselves a boost entering the pit straight they should be far enough ahead to escape the DRS zone and possible slipstream.

Except that Vettel starts right behind them at the start of that very long straight.

in fourth place, on the dirty side

[djos]

Sky showed Daniels lap compared to Max, Daniel just nailed it and there were a few key apex's he made much better use of in particular.

[NathanOlder]

Vettel will be nowhere near the back of the Redbulls after trying to follow closely through the twisty bit just before the long straight, as long as the Bulls save some deployment to give themselves a boost entering the pit straight they should be far enough ahead to escape the DRS zone and possible slipstream.

Except that Vettel starts right behind them at the start of that very long straight.

in fourth place, on the dirty side

He is starting only a few meters behind the red bull who is also on the dirty side .

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[And yet, with that kind of smooth driving style Ricciardo has trailed Max with 4-13 in the season in qualifying, including Singapore. If Ric's style is more suited to this troublesome ENGINE, that doesn't explain why he struggled in Singapore and could outsmart Max in qualifying and race.

it's what the team said in that article I linked. If you have a better source, feel free to post it

[Juzh]

Sky showed Daniels lap compared to Max, Daniel just nailed it and there were a few key apex's he made much better use of in particular.

F1 did their side by side with mini sectors:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... euao8.html

Advantage goes back and forth troughout the lap, and in those few corners when sky said max missed the apex (you mean last sector most likely) he doesn't actually lose any speed. When we're talking only a few hundreths difference it's impossible to compare anything accurately on live tv as sky does it. Can't really blame them for that, they have to say something.

[Sieper]

Except that Vettel starts right behind them at the start of that very long straight.

in fourth place, on the dirty side

He is starting only a few meters behind the red bull who is also on the dirty side .

Vettel still has a shot in Turn one, it is a very long straight and the Ferrari has a clear pace advantage on the straight.

[NathanOlder]

in fourth place, on the dirty side

He is starting only a few meters behind the red bull who is also on the dirty side .

Vettel still has a shot in Turn one, it is a very long straight and the Ferrari has a clear pace advantage on the straight.

Exactly. If the bulls get equal starts, they will be pretty much side by side punching a big whole in the air. Then the Ferrari and Mercedes with a slipstream and a power advantage will lead if they have a path through thatis.

[Morteza]