Formula E

[godlameroso]

So perhaps similar lap time to a 570s on some decent 200TW tires? An m4 GTS is about 3-4 seconds off the pace of the gt4 car. I doubt FE is at that level just yet.

[mzso]

This year the cars are racing with ~270hp and 335ish for qualifying. @900kg that's about the power to weight ratio of a BMW M4 GTS. Which is good for ~1:37 lap around Laguna seca. A gt3 car can do it in the 24's a gt4 car in the 30's for quali and 34's during the race. Im guessing a gen 2 FE can do it in the mid 30's 34 35. Which is admirable for a pure electric race car.

Your Laguna seca laptime is just conjecture. So meaningless to compare it anything.

[godlameroso]

It's a good estimate.

[Big Tea]

I think once the series is 'freed up' lap times will fall with a thud. Once separate development is allowed we will see a real advancement in both the Tec and the cars themselves. Unless of course they intend to keep it a spec series.

[Morteza]

https://twitter.com/autosport/status/10 ... 9516975105

[godlameroso]

GT4 cars aren't slow, if the new gen FE cars are in that ballpark we will certainly have some good racing. These cars aren't too dependent on aero, and GT4 cars are a hair faster than WTCC cars. Those series have good wheel to wheel racing. TBH I'm actually pretty excited for the new season. The gen 1 cars were on the level of a Miata Cup car.

[zac510]

I was looking at this picture (https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... rt-ab-.jpg) of the new Formula E chassis and something looked quite familiar.. Then it occurred to me, the profile of the nose looks a lot like that of the Audi R8 LMP!
Basically the whole car looks like an early 2000s LMP car now, with less bodywork around the suspension. I like it, though.

[mzso]

I was looking at this picture (https://cdn-4.motorsport.com/images/amp ... rt-ab-.jpg) of the new Formula E chassis and something looked quite familiar.. Then it occurred to me, the profile of the nose looks a lot like that of the Audi R8 LMP!
Basically the whole car looks like an early 2000s LMP car now, with less bodywork around the suspension. I like it, though.

I wish formula cars would shed the stupid openwheel heritage (baggage), and also the reliance separate fragile wings. These are just silly counter intuitive traditions.
At least FE made a step (if not a leap) toward ground effect.

Cars would look a lot like this R8 but without the gap between the wheels and the cockpit large aerodynamic openings on the sides of the nose (like ground-effect F1 cars) and no rear wing either. (similar backside as the 917)

[bill shoe]

I think once the series is 'freed up' lap times will fall with a thud. Once separate development is allowed we will see a real advancement in both the Tec and the cars themselves. Unless of course they intend to keep it a spec series.

I think the long-term intention is to always keep the chassis spec, but at some point they may open up (un-spec) the battery. The intention is to focus on the things that are unique and important to FE and de-emphasize the other stuff. Of course a spec chassis limits things like AWD for both accel and regen, and it probably limits where you might eventually go in terms of allowing active torque-split (side to side). So the spec chassis does limit at least some aspects of the "more important" electric powertrain.

[Big Tea]

I think once the series is 'freed up' lap times will fall with a thud. Once separate development is allowed we will see a real advancement in both the Tec and the cars themselves. Unless of course they intend to keep it a spec series.

I think the long-term intention is to always keep the chassis spec, but at some point they may open up (un-spec) the battery. The intention is to focus on the things that are unique and important to FE and de-emphasize the other stuff. Of course a spec chassis limits things like AWD for both accel and regen, and it probably limits where you might eventually go in terms of allowing active torque-split (side to side). So the spec chassis does limit at least some aspects of the "more important" electric powertrain.

I would think the most important parts to boost development would be the battery and controllers, gears regen etc?

Then again, it if F1 that claims to be developing for the future, not FE.

[mzso]

Then again, it if F1 that claims to be developing for the future, not FE.

Sadly, these are just claims in recent times. They take initiative from trends in road technology or use outdated concepts.

[Andres125sx]

]I think the long-term intention is to always keep the chassis spec, but at some point they may open up (un-spec) the battery. The intention is to focus on the things that are unique and important to FE and de-emphasize the other stuff. Of course a spec chassis limits things like AWD for both accel and regen, and it probably limits where you might eventually go in terms of allowing active torque-split (side to side). So the spec chassis does limit at least some aspects of the "more important" electric powertrain.

I´d say AWD for both acceleration and regen will be unique and important for FE in the future, a must in my opinion, but not yet as with current power and AWD they will go on rails and would be boring

[jjn9128]

I´d say AWD for both acceleration and regen will be unique and important for FE in the future, a must in my opinion, but not yet as with current power and AWD they will go on rails and would be boring

Lucas Di Grassi agrees with you https://www.autosport.com/engineering/f ... -with-gen3. Less weight in the battery pack is a priority first.

[mzso]

Less weight in the battery pack is a priority first.

No mention of that. Nor do I think it should be a goal. All that results in midgets getting an advantage.

[Big Tea]

I´d say AWD for both acceleration and regen will be unique and important for FE in the future, a must in my opinion, but not yet as with current power and AWD they will go on rails and would be boring

Lucas Di Grassi agrees with you https://www.autosport.com/engineering/f ... -with-gen3. Less weight in the battery pack is a priority first.

Improved recovery and efficiency would allow a smaller battery pack to be used, as he says.