2019 pre season launches, testing, dates, discussion, banter.

[LM10]

maybe this article helpd you understand it better

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/tech ... s-limited/

F1 2014: Why fuel flow is limited
That's not what we're talking about.

you wrote the fuel limit is pointless and that it is beyond you why.... so i gave you the article on the why.
so in that way we talked about the why

tbh I, myself don't understand te article because its to technical for me, i thought it might help you

Fuel limit is not the same thing as fuel flow rate.

[Capharol]

that i agree LM10 but ME4ME said he didn't understood why there was a fuel limit and not fuel flow, so mistake wasn't mine but his ....and there is an explanation about why they introduced fuel flow, if this is a good or bad thing is up to every person itself ....... but that subject is to technical for me, so i better stop writing

[GPR-A]

that i agree LM10 but ME4ME said he didn't understood why there was a fuel limit and not fuel flow, so mistake wasn't mine but his ....and there is an explanation about why they introduced fuel flow, if this is a good or bad thing is up to every person itself ....... but that subject is to technical for me, so i better stop writing

You completely missed what ME4ME was conveying. Seems like he understands the regulations around fuel flow rate. It's your mistake.

When there is fuel flow rate limited at 100kg/hr @ 10500 RPM, then whether you carry 105 or 110 or 200 kilos of fuel, it doesn't matter.

Why there is a fuel limit is beyond me since 2014. It makes no difference what so ever in the majority of races where teams are not fuel limited. However it has an negative impact on racing in the minority of races where teams are limited and are forced to save fuel rather than go into racing another car.

They migtht as well get rid of the limit all together.

[Capharol]

that i agree LM10 but ME4ME said he didn't understood why there was a fuel limit and not fuel flow, so mistake wasn't mine but his ....and there is an explanation about why they introduced fuel flow, if this is a good or bad thing is up to every person itself ....... but that subject is to technical for me, so i better stop writing

You completely missed what ME4ME was conveying. Seems like he understands the regulations around fuel flow rate. It's your mistake.

When there is fuel flow rate limited at 100kg/hr @ 10500 RPM, then whether you carry 105 or 110 or 200 kilos of fuel, it doesn't matter.

Why there is a fuel limit is beyond me since 2014. It makes no difference what so ever in the majority of races where teams are not fuel limited. However it has an negative impact on racing in the minority of races where teams are limited and are forced to save fuel rather than go into racing another car.

They migtht as well get rid of the limit all together.

as said i stop interferring in this discussion, 1. it's getting to technical (I'm just a regular F1 fan) 2. English ain't my native language, but when it says fuel limit and not fuel FLOW limit, i guess there isn't much to be misunderstood, but well it happened, end of the discussion from my side

[Juzh]

So no, in fact the fia wasn't fooled at all, what they did with this very simple rule change is they curbed mercedes/ferrari advantage of the fuel front. In theory.

In essence, change the rules to favor those who didn't do as good a job as the others. That is what Otmar is complaining.

But the question is, how is the increase in fuel limit is going to help?

The less lift and coast required, the less weaker engines will suffer. Logical, no?

If a race is borderline on the fuel, say merc/ferrari can do it on 106 kg without lift and caost, and honda/renault can do it on 110 kg, then you can be sure both weaker engines will NOT go for 106 kg, they will both go for higher fuel capacity in order to avoid doing L&C. Qualifying basically confirms this, no one is doing LC there are they? Weight penatly is more than offset by being able to go faster more of the time.

This ofcourse is assuming all things being equal and teams not gambling on some weird fuel strategy (merc malaysia 2013, vettel malaysia 2017 from the back of the grid).

[Juzh]

No idea why FIA increased the fuel allowance as some teams weren't even carrying the allowed 105 kg.
F1 bosses 'fooled' by teams to increase fuel limit - Szafnauer

Otmar's statement here 100% confirms some engines had a big enough of an advantage for him to literally go out of his way saying the fia were fooled, in this case probably by a RB/honda/renault unholy alliance. If it made no difference whatsoever no one would care or talk about it, yet here we have a team principal of a team with a mercedes engine in their car crying out how their competitive advantage will get eroded somewhat with the extra fuel allowance.

So no, in fact the fia wasn't fooled at all, what they did with this very simple rule change is they curbed mercedes/ferrari advantage of the fuel front. In theory.

What they effectively did was to convert it to a weight advantage (at some tracks)

Which is better for weaker engines for the reasons mentioned above.

[dans79]

So no, in fact the fia wasn't fooled at all, what they did with this very simple rule change is they curbed mercedes/ferrari advantage of the fuel front. In theory.

In essence, change the rules to favor those who didn't do as good a job as the others. That is what Otmar is complaining.

But the question is, how is the increase in fuel limit is going to help?

The less lift and coast required, the less weaker engines will suffer. Logical, no?

If a race is borderline on the fuel, say merc/ferrari can do it on 106 kg without lift and caost, and honda/renault can do it on 110 kg, then you can be sure both weaker engines will NOT go for 106 kg, they will both go for higher fuel capacity in order to avoid doing L&C. Qualifying basically confirms this, no one is doing LC there are they? Weight penatly is more than offset by being able to go faster more of the time.

This ofcourse is assuming all things being equal and teams not gambling on some weird fuel strategy (merc malaysia 2013, vettel malaysia 2017 from the back of the grid).

If a team is already under the fuel limit and not lifting and coasting it would not surprise me if they don't change the engine maps and gearing so that they can get more performance.

[Cold Fussion]

that i agree LM10 but ME4ME said he didn't understood why there was a fuel limit and not fuel flow, so mistake wasn't mine but his ....and there is an explanation about why they introduced fuel flow, if this is a good or bad thing is up to every person itself ....... but that subject is to technical for me, so i better stop writing

Why is it always the people who have the least understanding shout the most? Nothing in the article you linked has anything to do with the fuel limit.

[Capharol]

that i agree LM10 but ME4ME said he didn't understood why there was a fuel limit and not fuel flow, so mistake wasn't mine but his ....and there is an explanation about why they introduced fuel flow, if this is a good or bad thing is up to every person itself ....... but that subject is to technical for me, so i better stop writing

Why is it always the people who have the least understanding shout the most? Nothing in the article you linked has anything to do with the fuel limit.

I could answer that but I am not going to.... have a nice day

[danielk]

apparently sky will be providing live televised coverage of the winter test this year! YAY!

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... -on-sky-f1

[bauc]

apparently sky will be providing live televised coverage of the winter test this year! YAY!

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... -on-sky-f1

Amen for that!

[NathanOlder]

They are showing live all the afternoon sesessions. From 1pm to 5pm. With a one hour show after its finished each day. So far its only confirmed for the first test 18th - 21st Feb. Sky Go on my tablet at work. SUPER!!

[bauc]

They are showing live all the afternoon sesessions. From 1pm to 5pm. With a one hour show after its finished each day. So far its only confirmed for the first test 18th - 21st Feb. Sky Go on my tablet at work. SUPER!!

Its a smart move to cover the afternoon sessions. In the mornings the track is cold and most of the teams just do a test run and get back to the pits, more meaningful running is done in the afternoon so this might actually be a great broadcast by SkyF1. I just pray we don't see the snow again on the first days of testing following a flood on day 3

[LM10]

They are showing live all the afternoon sesessions. From 1pm to 5pm. With a one hour show after its finished each day. So far its only confirmed for the first test 18th - 21st Feb. Sky Go on my tablet at work. SUPER!!

Its a smart move the cover the afternoon sessions. In the mornings the track is cold and most of the teams just do a test run and get back to the pits, more meaningful running is done in the afternoon so this might actually be a great broadcast by SkyF1. I just pray we don't see the snow again on the first days of testing following a flood on day 3

Plus, many people wouldn't really be able to watch the morning tests during week anyway because of work/study.

[bauc]

They are showing live all the afternoon sesessions. From 1pm to 5pm. With a one hour show after its finished each day. So far its only confirmed for the first test 18th - 21st Feb. Sky Go on my tablet at work. SUPER!!

Its a smart move to cover the afternoon sessions. In the mornings the track is cold and most of the teams just do a test run and get back to the pits, more meaningful running is done in the afternoon so this might actually be a great broadcast by SkyF1. I just pray we don't see the snow again on the first days of testing following a flood on day 3

Plus, many people wouldn't really be able to watch the morning tests during week anyway because of work/study.

Yeah that one too, I'm really looking forward to this, hopefully it will become a standard in the following years