Most heavily developed car in 2008

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Most heavily developed car in 2008

Ferrari F2008
12
18%
Mc Laren MP4/23
26
39%
BMW Sauber F1.08
3
5%
Renault R28
3
5%
Honda RA108
12
18%
Red Bull RB4
2
3%
Toyota TF108
8
12%
Williams FW30
0
No votes
 
Total votes: 66

bar555
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Most heavily developed car in 2008

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Vote for which is the most heavily developed car in 2008 season , take in mind that development does not mean necessary improvement in car's performance

Front & rear wings , sidepod aero , bargeboards , suspension and every new mechanical or aero element are all included in the development rate of a F1 car

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ESPImperium
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Joined: 06 Apr 2008, 00:08
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Re: Most heavily developed car in 2008

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I voted for Ferarri, Toyta and Honda; these reasons:

Ferarri: at one stage were arround 1 second clear, but altho have gone backward slightly since, they have developed their car to a point that it looks the ultimate drive... Altho Engine looks like the weak link since early season and current woes from the last 2 races.

Toyota: Have overhaulled Williams and RBR from early season, they are now to a point that they are pretty close to the BMW Saubers, albeit about .2 to .5 of a second down on Kubicas car.

Honda: Altho still a crappy car, its better than what it was, and is now compeditive, and now making small in-roads in some races.

However, if the STR-Ferarri STR3 and FIF1 VJM-01 (Formarly the Spyker F8-VIII) was included, id put one of them in there as i feel that the STR3 has had the rear diffuser development and rear suspension development that the STR2 didnt get to make the STR3 compeditive. As for the VJM-01/F8-VIII, id say that that is probably the most developed car on the grid with the car now roughly 1.8-2.1 seconds quicker than last year due to aero development, mechanical parts development development and the fact the car has just had the resources better managed on it.

Otherwise, the 3 mose developed cars in my opinion are theese:

Toro Rosso STR3
Toyota TF108
FIF1 VJM-01

wesley123
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Joined: 23 Feb 2008, 17:55

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Ferrari: The car has gone slower it looks like, i only have seen like 4 new parts.
McLaren: The best developers, they are now the fastest of the grid.
BMW Sauber: Havent seen developments since australia they felt back heavily.
Toyota: The car become very fast and they can fight the bmw's.
Red Bull: The car became better, the results didnt.
Renault: The car became very better but mistakes didnt show it.
Williams: Felt back very far.
Honda: Lots of developments and their car is getting better.
Force India: The gap has increased and they will start 2009 from the back.
Toro Rosso: The car became enourmous faster and the team can now fight at the midfield, only the engine isnt reliable so they missed points.
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Crystalix
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I voted Honda (lot of small developments to improve the aero), McLaren (asymetrical sidepods or bridge for example) and Ferrari (we can't forget the coanda effect nose).
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woohoo
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I would say Torro Rosso and Force india.

They seem to be working hard.
And BMW Sauber havent improved since.. Monaco I think.
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Scotracer
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Joined: 22 Apr 2008, 17:09
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland, UK

Re: Most heavily developed car in 2008

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I said:

Mclaren MP4-23 -- just how many front wings can they make?!
Honda RA108 -- keep on throwing --- at the car and see what sticks, boys!
FI VJM-01 -- Really moving on. Congrats!

Everyone else, pull the finger out!
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boci
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Joined: 10 Jul 2008, 00:46

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McLaren MP4/23 - obviously many improvements have been made, the car looks nothing like in Australia.
Renault R28 - The R28 has also improved alot in both performance and design with a reworked bridge wing, front wheel rims and shark fin.
Honda RA108 - Honda have put pretty much everything anyone else has developed on their car but it doesnt seem to have really worked.

majicmeow
majicmeow
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Joined: 05 Feb 2008, 07:03

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McLaren: Like has been said already, the car looks nothing like it did at the beginning of the season and the pace has really improved!

Ferrari: The nose cone hole deserves the innovation of the year award, IMHO. Regardless of how much/little other development has gone on, this one development must have been HUGE!!

Toyota: How can a car change so little (from a visual POV) but get so much faster? Obviously, Toyota has been working very hard on the TF108

scarbs
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Re: Most heavily developed car in 2008

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Force India (why not on the voting buttons?)
All new aero, suspension, new J-Damper, New gearbox, it might not be the fastest but its the most changed car out there.

McLaren
Unlike McLarens usual development route, the car has visually changed at nearly every race since France. Not to mention the the impressive engine development.

Honda
From its simple launch guide through three major aero updates, plus the adoption of the antler wings, complex diffuser and new suspension (J-Damper at the rear now as well). whatever Honda getting wrong, it isnt lack of development.

Honourable mention
Ferrari has kept pace with McLaren despite not having the same major visual updates. is this the most anonymously devleoped car of the year

bar555
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Re: Most heavily developed car in 2008

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My intention was to include both Force India and Torro Rosso , but this was not possible as there were only 8 Poll options availlable .

I chose to exclude them because :
Torro Rosso follows a similar development project to Red bull

Force India is the slowest car in the grid and basically because it is based on a completely transformed Spyker 's 2007 spec chassis . Next year FI will construct its own chassis project .
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PNSD
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The RA108 imo. Though still relativley slow, they have continued to visualy develop it and mechanically too. The car has been quick at times but then again sometimes painfully slow.

Development has never been a problem for BAR or Honda. Its probably one of the strongest factors. The 005 kept up development with the top teams and imo suppassed Renault. The 006 lost it halfway through the season ( maybe it was Mclaren and Williams just developing quicker and solving their problems ) but again by the end of the season it was as close to the front as it was at the start. The 007 was massivley behind but throughout the season it got better and better race by race and was on occasion a podium contender. That from a car not able to finish in the top10. The RA106, same story as the 006 really. From one of the quickest, they lost out midseason then by Brazil Honda were back. The RA107 - difficult to evaluate, but they never really lost/gained time relative to their competitors.

This year I think the other team to have shown good development is the Force India.

Ferrari are fighting for a world championship and yet are STILL only 2seconds quicker, a team with more, and alot more money are unable to pull out a significant gap over them. Kudos to FI.

Mclaren have supprised me, at the start of the season they were behind Ferrari, and yet apart from these last two races it's looked like Mclaren have surpassed them in pace.

I think another mention should be STR, though its the RBR car STR have been very consistant with it, and have been very close to RBR and often quicker.

mx_tifoso
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Re: Most heavily developed car in 2008

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I voted:
1)Mclaren
2)Honda (replaced by Force India if ability to do so in poll)
3)Ferrari
PNSD wrote:Ferrari are fighting for a world championship and yet are STILL only 2seconds quicker, a team with more, and alot more money are unable to pull out a significant gap over them. Kudos to FI.
With all the restrictions in place at the moment, top teams are near the limit with what they can develop, in contrast to teams lower in the field which have a lot of catching up to do. When the current car is near its developmental limit theres very little else to be done, except attempt for improve reliability, improve tyre usage, and perfect every aspect of a GP weekend, etc.
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