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Morteza wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 18:05
A screenshot I took from a video Mercedes AMG F1 put on their YouTube page
https://i.imgur.com/Vaq7Afg.png
I saw that as well, they have definitely gone to great lengths to make sure no one has gotten a good look at the rear end.

The upper rear wishbone looks a lot like an old school beam wing. I wonder how much aero benefit they are getting from it.
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bill shoe wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 03:00
Giando wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 02:01
Again, i am sorry guys but i must insist on my point.

I believe the following screenshots taken from the video posted above do not leave much doubt.

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Do you agree?
Yep, that seems absolutely correct now. Good call. =D> =D> =D> =D>

The FIA passed a rule a season or two ago (in response to Red Bull doing a similar pushrod location) that limits the vertical ride height change to 5 or 10 mm as steering goes through full lock. So Merc is either doing something a little more clever than that, or they are simply making sure they are right up on the FIA limit. The Merc upper control arm and resulting kingpin axis would tend to force the Merc pivot point even further inboard than Red Bull.

For many years these cars have enclosed all the interesting suspension bits under nosecones or behind wheel shrouds. Some of the important kinematic parts are starting to cautiously stick theirs heads out in to the sunlight where we can see them again!!
Giando, I believe the W09 had a similar arrangement. In the image below of the W09, look at the outboard end of the pushrod: a seam and a bump/knuckle are apparent.

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Bill, Red Bull indeed were doing something similar in previous seasons with an offset pushrod attachment. Apparent in these images of the RB13 below:

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29 Dec 2017, 03:20
Morteza wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 19:00
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31 Oct 2017, 13:32
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Seemingly such arrangements would pass significant suspension loads through the steering arms.
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Red Bull style diffuser?

From this photo you can also see how much slimmer the sidepods are.

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roon wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 22:56
bill shoe wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 03:00
Giando wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 02:01
Again, i am sorry guys but i must insist on my point.

I believe the following screenshots taken from the video posted above do not leave much doubt.

...

Do you agree?
Yep, that seems absolutely correct now. Good call. =D> =D> =D> =D>

The FIA passed a rule a season or two ago (in response to Red Bull doing a similar pushrod location) that limits the vertical ride height change to 5 or 10 mm as steering goes through full lock. So Merc is either doing something a little more clever than that, or they are simply making sure they are right up on the FIA limit. The Merc upper control arm and resulting kingpin axis would tend to force the Merc pivot point even further inboard than Red Bull.

For many years these cars have enclosed all the interesting suspension bits under nosecones or behind wheel shrouds. Some of the important kinematic parts are starting to cautiously stick theirs heads out in to the sunlight where we can see them again!!
Giando, I believe the W09 had a similar arrangement. In the image below of the W09, look at the outboard end of the pushrod: a seam and a bump/knuckle are apparent.

https://cdn-6.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... detail.jpg

Bill, Red Bull indeed were doing something similar in previous seasons with an offset pushrod attachment. Apparent in these images of the RB13 below:

roon wrote:
29 Dec 2017, 03:20
Seemingly such arrangements would pass significant suspension loads through the steering arms.
Hi Roon, i don't know... to me, it seems that the offset push/rod attachment on the W10 is further backwards respect to the upper whishbone pivot connector... my simple attempt with the available pictures to highlight this fact is down here... what do you think? It looks really different than the W09 doesn't it?

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PhillipM wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 06:53
ringo wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 04:16
front push rod may not be pivoted, it may just have an aerodynamic bulb shape, possibly related to flow behind the brake duct. I dpn't see why they would pivot a pushrod; it just wouldnt work; and would present a reliability problem.
If you don't pivot your front pushrods you're going to have a lot of problems with steering.... :lol:
I don't think pivot is the right word to use, but you do understand that i am saying the bulb is an aerodynamic fairing?
That's a knukle or joint etc. but pivot is implying a twisting or collapsing joint.
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Sevach wrote:
15 Feb 2019, 23:10
Red Bull style diffuser?

From this photo you can also see how much slimmer the sidepods are.
Exposed and enlarged.

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ringo wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 05:25

I don't think pivot is the right word to use, but you do understand that i am saying the bulb is an aerodynamic fairing?
That's a knukle or joint etc. but pivot is implying a twisting or collapsing joint.
No, I think the other guy is right and the socket/pivot is there, the inner part is part of the upright. I think they're skirting right on the limits of the ride height changes in lock.

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I don't know guys...

I see two different degrees for those two (supposed) elements... but maybe it's just the low res picture.

The yellow line (push-rod) should continue down 'straight' below if that bulb was just an aero device.

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Did merc miss a trick with the alfa fw ?
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De Jokke wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 15:59
Did merc miss a trick with the alfa fw ?
I wouldn’t say so since they have gone the exact opposite route with an inwash concept.
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ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:02
De Jokke wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 15:59
Did merc miss a trick with the alfa fw ?
I wouldn’t say so since they have gone the exact opposite route with an inwash concept.
There is no inwash

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mantikos wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:12
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:02
De Jokke wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 15:59
Did merc miss a trick with the alfa fw ?
I wouldn’t say so since they have gone the exact opposite route with an inwash concept.
There is no inwash
Then why do the endplates bend inwards?
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ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:14
mantikos wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:12
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:02

I wouldn’t say so since they have gone the exact opposite route with an inwash concept.
There is no inwash
Then why do the endplates bend inwards?
Watch Scarbs' video - he explains it
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ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:14
mantikos wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:12
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
16 Feb 2019, 16:02

I wouldn’t say so since they have gone the exact opposite route with an inwash concept.
There is no inwash
Then why do the endplates bend inwards?
That looks more like overwash.