F1 2019 Pre-Season Testing Thread

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Ups, 18.380 for Bottas on C2

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Just went faster Bottas on C2, 18.356

Maybe Merc is not that bad after all... :D

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F1Fan2018 wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:33


Im assuming your thinking Ferrari have done some kind of performance tests too, else I have no idea how you came to your conclusion, just to make it clear I dont think Merc or Ferrari have done any major performance running, so to say Merc got it wrong im not suire how you get this? im not bashing you just curious how you get to this conclusion.

No, I'm assuming that I DON'T KNOW IF FERRARI DID PERFORMANCE TEST OR NOT.
then even with this aboslutely conservative assumption I see that mercedes set 1.17.977 on C4 in a 4 lap stint
and Ferrari set near identical time on C3 in a 12 lap stint
THEN
IF mercedes one was a performance test (and I repeat that I'm not convinced at all of this I'm just following your reasoning) this MATHEMATICALLY would imply that performance is poor
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New livery for Torro Rosso! =D>
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Jozsusz wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:42
Just went faster Bottas on C2, 18.356

Maybe Merc is not that bad after all... :D
4-lap stint.
number of laps-stint is equally important than final time presently

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motobaleno wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:46
Jozsusz wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:42
Just went faster Bottas on C2, 18.356

Maybe Merc is not that bad after all... :D
4-lap stint.
number of laps-stint is equally important than final time presently
So, the number of laps is a direct reflection of the fuel being carried? If that is the reference, then Leclerc was ONLY carrying 30 Kgs on the lap that he got 1m18.0xx. Right? With every 2.5kgs of fuel equlalling a tenth of a second, with 3 lap worth of fuel required for a proper quali run, that Ferrari can ONLY make 1m17.0xx on C3! If you extrapolate the gap between C3 to C5, which could be around a second, then 1m16.000 is all that Ferrari can do on C5. Knowing that the track performs better in the cooler conditions of the Winter and cars go slower in Summer, that might be slightly slower for a proper race qualifying. And that means, SF90 can't beat last year's pole time! Yeah.

But I am sure, there is so much more different. All I want to say is, it doesn't matter how many laps a car does on their fast run, that is not a direct reflection of the fuel the car is carrying.
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motobaleno wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:46
Jozsusz wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:42
Just went faster Bottas on C2, 18.356

Maybe Merc is not that bad after all... :D
4-lap stint.
number of laps-stint is equally important than final time presently
Or they could be carrying more fuel that they are having us think, there is no chance they are fuelled for 4 quick laps.

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GPR -A wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:50
motobaleno wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:46
Jozsusz wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:42
Just went faster Bottas on C2, 18.356

Maybe Merc is not that bad after all... :D
4-lap stint.
number of laps-stint is equally important than final time presently
So, the number of laps is a direct reflection of the fuel being carried?
please guys...of course not BUT in a 12 lap stint you KNOW that you have AT LEAST fuel load needed for 12 laps
in a 4 lap you have AT LEAST fuel for 4 laps....of course you can do a 4 lap stint with load for 50 laps...
BUT again please look back to all the past pre-testing (for instance with the analysis of F1 metrics) and you will know that these cases are rare...
but again everyone is free to think that ferrari is doing 12 laps stint ALWAYS with the exact load for 12 laps and merceded is doing 4 laps-stint ALWAYS with 50 laps fuel load...no problems.
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motobaleno wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:18
As for you last sentence, please don't confuse my posts with other ones: I nowhere wrote that this testing have already given their final response. but at the end of the 8 days something we will know.
You are right, apologies.
motobaleno wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:14
the bottom line was ferrari and mercedes really near each other...and that was. Beyond this: RB was very good and top competitive in a track where engine is not the key...and that was
The problem is that, as an F1 fan, if I hadn't watched a single second of 2018 testing, I could've told you that, with the convergence of design and development as the rules aged, Ferrari and Mercedes would be close to one another and that Red Bull, with their aero-heavy design philosophy and Newey, would be the quickest at Monaco. I'd go as far as to argue that I wouldn't even be making a prediction, just stating well-known facts.

I've barely any interest in testing lap times and I haven't even looked at the long runs for 2019 but I'd be willing to put money down that, over the course of the season, Red Bull will be good on aero heavy tracks, and Ferrari and Mercedes will be the top two constructors. Oh, and Williams will finish last.

If I'm right, does that mean I am an F1 genius, with amazing analytical skills and godlike insight? Or that I got lucky with a vaguely informed guess based on obvious trends?

On a general note:-
Here's a challenge to everyone who is sure fans/media can gain a relevant insight from testing times. Predict the Pole time, the gap in Q3 between the fastest manufacturer and the next fastest manufacturer and the gap between the leader and the next manufacturer after five laps (when they'll be pushing hard to break the tow). It should be easy, you've got all these testing times to draw from, after all.

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Both teams have done fairly long stints at points on the same tire. Mercedes just did it a lot more consistently and quickly.
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Why has Ferrari not done a full race sim yet?

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It's just that some people have very short memory and knee-jerking to reach hasty conclusion, as usual.
I always remember Mercedes is collecting huge mileage in the middle of timesheet in winter testings and I thought it was common understanding. For example aggregated time for 2016 first test is below. Some other years they were up there but generally Merc tend to stick to data gathering runs or lots of long runs with mediocre time in testing.
What's different for this year is reg alteration mainly for front wing, "merc wing is different - they screwed!" voila, easy.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/feat ... hest-.html

POS DRIVER TEAM/CAR BEST TIME GAP LAPS
1 Sebastian Vettel Ferrari SF16-H 1:22.810 195
2 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes VJM09 1:23.110 0.300 99
3 Kimi Raikkonen Ferrari SF16-H 1:23.477 0.667 158
4 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer RB12 1:23.525 0.725 199
5 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes VJM09 1:23.650 0.840 101
6 Daniil Kvyat Red Bull Racing-TAG Heuer RB12 1:24.293 1.483 170
7 Alfonso Celis Force India-Mercedes VJM09 1:24.840 2.030 133
8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes F1 W07 Hybrid 1:24.867 2.057 332
9 Marcus Ericsson Sauber-Ferrari C34 1:25.237 2.427 196
10 Kevin Magnussen Renault R.S.16 1:25.263 2.453 264
11 Max Verstappen Toro Rosso-Ferrari STR11 1:25.393 2.583 231
12 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes F1 W07 Hybrid 1:25.409 2.599 343
13 Esteban Gutierrez Haas-Ferrari VF-16 1:25.524 2.714 168
14 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes FW38 1:25.648 2.838 214
15 Romain Grosjean Haas-Ferrari VF-16 1:25.874 3.064 113
16 Pascal Wehrlein Manor Racing-Mercedes MRT05 1:25.925 3.115 125
17 Felipe Nasr Sauber-Ferrari C34 1:26.053 3.243 236
18 Fernando Alonso McLaren-Honda MP4-31 1:26.082 3.272 122
19 Jolyon Palmer Renault R.S.16 1:26.189 3.379 79
20 Carlos Sainz Toro Rosso-Ferrari STR11 1:26.239 3.429 216
21 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes FW38 1:26.483 3.673 163
22 Jenson Button McLaren-Honda MP4-31 1:26.735 3.925 135
23 Rio Haryanto Manor Racing-Mercedes MRT05 1:28.249 5.439 129

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GPR -A wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 16:01
Why has Ferrari not done a full race sim yet?
Has anyone?
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Wynters wrote:
21 Feb 2019, 15:55
The problem is that, as an F1 fan, if I hadn't watched a single second of 2018 testing, I could've told you that, with the convergence of design and development as the rules aged, Ferrari and Mercedes would be close to one another and that Red Bull, with their aero-heavy design philosophy and Newey, would be the quickest at Monaco. I'd go as far as to argue that I wouldn't even be making a prediction, just stating well-known facts.
BRO, you write this NOW, this is simply POST-LOGIC after 2018 season, It is a human tendence to think that what you think NOW was so logic and evident also ONE YEAR AGO. I was in barcellona in 2018 and I was on the forum and the common sense was far from what you say now...ON THE AVERAGE people thought that mercedes was far ahead.

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Guys, the reg that teams can not alter anything by telemetry from the pit. Does it also hold in free test, or is it only under 'race conditions'?
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