2019 Williams F1 Team - Mercedes

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My 'magic dust' comment was just a nod to how well williams made a chassis in its earliest years.
I will guess the problem is still wind tunnel?

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Robert's interview for Eleven Sports TV:

1. Situation is better because there is car to drive :-)
2. Car is stil missing about 5% parts comparing to planned version
3. Team suffers lack of spare parts so drivers have to avoid any risk (can't push so much).
4. Data from simulations shows car is poor (RK said: "We have a tough nut to crack")
5. Robert hopes car will suprise him anyway ("There is always hope")
6. Robert stays realistic and start of the season will not be perfect
7. Robert has only 16 hours to prepare to the season. Body language said something like "WTF? Where am I?" at that moment.
8. Team is pushing hard and Robert hopes all required parts will be ready for Australian GP.

https://twitter.com/CezaryGutowski/stat ... 47680?s=19
"We will not be able to fight for the positions that people expect in Australia."

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I'll repeat. this team won't make abu dhabi.
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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Glad to see that the discussion has moved past "It's all the drivers fault".

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Funny how claire is now stating they can make up lost time because the car is reliable. :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a bunch of nonsense, the Mercedes engine is the most reliable one on the grid, and reliability hasn't been an issue for quite some time for Williams. Also, reliability doesn't mean a thing being 3 seconds slower than any other car on the grid.they'll still finish last, and it's not like it's the 70's or the 80's where half the field breaks down. #-o
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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Manoah2u wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 12:23
Funny how claire is now stating they can make up lost time because the car is reliable. :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a bunch of nonsense, the Mercedes engine is the most reliable one on the grid, and reliability hasn't been an issue for quite some time for Williams. Also, reliability doesn't mean a thing being 3 seconds slower than any other car on the grid.they'll still finish last, and it's not like it's the 70's or the 80's where half the field breaks down. #-o
I think she didn't meant specifically for engine in her comment. When you're putting together an F1 car in (after) last minute, you have much more than the engine to worry about.

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kalinka wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 12:40
Manoah2u wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 12:23
Funny how claire is now stating they can make up lost time because the car is reliable. :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a bunch of nonsense, the Mercedes engine is the most reliable one on the grid, and reliability hasn't been an issue for quite some time for Williams. Also, reliability doesn't mean a thing being 3 seconds slower than any other car on the grid.they'll still finish last, and it's not like it's the 70's or the 80's where half the field breaks down. #-o
I think she didn't meant specifically for engine in her comment. When you're putting together an F1 car in (after) last minute, you have much more than the engine to worry about.
Indeed. Just look at Ferrari, where their rim failed (even though a foreign object hit it first). Front wing mountings can also fail for instance. Let's not forget they really rush those parts through. Standard might be suboptimal compared to the parts in Melbourne.
#AeroFrodo

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Manoah2u wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 03:15
I'll repeat. this team won't make abu dhabi.
On what basis do your draw that conclusion?

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paulo_f1 wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 19:24
Manoah2u wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 03:15
I'll repeat. this team won't make abu dhabi.
On what basis do your draw that conclusion?
Bias, I’d say. I can’t think under what circumstances Williams would not see out the season. Even Lotus finished the season when it was failing to pay drivers and suppliers, and that team was in far worse shape than Williams, which is pretty financially stable. Force India likewise seemed to have been heavily in debt or at least with cashflow problems leading to the creditors calling the administrators in - which they only did in the knowledge that there was a buyer waiting in the wings. Williams is just not comparable. Teams just don’t fold during a season on the basis of poor on-track performance, especially if their finances are sound, which Williams’ are. Claire has said that the team has a similar operating budget to last year (which means they must have increased sponsorship income to cover the shortfall in constructors’ payments). The team is clearly not in the same kind of trouble it was this time last year, even if it is still last at the moment. (And it’s worth remembering that Sauber was last in Melbourne last year and look where they ended up). I’m a bit mystified by this prediction.

I miss Sergey Sirotkin, though.

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Manoah2u wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 12:23
Funny how claire is now stating they can make up lost time because the car is reliable. :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a bunch of nonsense, the Mercedes engine is the most reliable one on the grid, and reliability hasn't been an issue for quite some time for Williams. Also, reliability doesn't mean a thing being 3 seconds slower than any other car on the grid.they'll still finish last, and it's not like it's the 70's or the 80's where half the field breaks down. #-o
Pretty simple argument really. Some teams are breaking down and losing a time that they could be running. Williams is not, so they are making back some of what they lost last week against those teams. Not difficult point to understand.

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Lotus102 wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 22:37
Manoah2u wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 12:23
Funny how claire is now stating they can make up lost time because the car is reliable. :lol: :lol: :lol:

what a bunch of nonsense, the Mercedes engine is the most reliable one on the grid, and reliability hasn't been an issue for quite some time for Williams. Also, reliability doesn't mean a thing being 3 seconds slower than any other car on the grid.they'll still finish last, and it's not like it's the 70's or the 80's where half the field breaks down. #-o
Pretty simple argument really. Some teams are breaking down and losing a time that they could be running. Williams is not, so they are making back some of what they lost last week against those teams. Not difficult point to understand.
Could it not be argued that the reason for them not breaking down is how slow they have been running while the other teams got set up and on there way quickly able to actually push the car to limits Williams haven't done that yet and don't have the time to do it before the first race of the season

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Artur Craft wrote:
27 Feb 2019, 23:41
Robert's interview for Eleven Sports TV:

1. Situation is better because there is car to drive :-)
2. Car is stil missing about 5% parts comparing to planned version
3. Team suffers lack of spare parts so drivers have to avoid any risk (can't push so much).
4. Data from simulations shows car is poor (RK said: "We have a tough nut to crack")
5. Robert hopes car will suprise him anyway ("There is always hope")
6. Robert stays realistic and start of the season will not be perfect
7. Robert has only 16 hours to prepare to the season. Body language said something like "WTF? Where am I?" at that moment.
8. Team is pushing hard and Robert hopes all required parts will be ready for Australian GP.

https://twitter.com/CezaryGutowski/stat ... 47680?s=19
"We will not be able to fight for the positions that people expect in Australia."
The fourth point makes me feel frustated with this team. Why are they not able to improve the shitty car of 2018? Paddy should respond to this.

At least they have done many laps so the car should be ready and reasonably improved for Australia. Yes, they Will be at the back of the grid, but hopefully the car has at least a good room to be developed.

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marmer wrote:
01 Mar 2019, 01:08
Lotus102 wrote:
28 Feb 2019, 22:37

Pretty simple argument really. Some teams are breaking down and losing a time that they could be running. Williams is not, so they are making back some of what they lost last week against those teams. Not difficult point to understand.
Could it not be argued that the reason for them not breaking down is how slow they have been running while the other teams got set up and on there way quickly able to actually push the car to limits Williams haven't done that yet and don't have the time to do it before the first race of the season
I’ve heard it said that, early on at least, the drivers had to be a bit conservative because the team lacked replacement parts and couldn’t cope with a crash, but that’s not really the same thing. I don’t know about running slowly for reliability - there were breakdowns in other teams during the first test when they were running the same sort of times that Williams currently is, so I don’t know that you can say that.

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"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."~William Shakespeare

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Well, it's pretty clear they're not going to pull a Brawn, so that ridiculous vain hope is gone.

This car is firmly anchored off the back of the grid, and that's with a Mercedes engine. What's worrying is just how far Williams are behind everyone else not just in terms of the car, but in everything else. They have a good wind tunnel, good facilities and a number of personnel that a team like Racing Point would dearly love. Despite the various excuses this team still have good resources that should not put them in this position.

Put simply, this is a team that cannot survive in Formula 1 for very much longer.