McLaren MCL34

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You can tell how much smaller the Upper wing of the rear wing has gotten by how narrow the font has gotten.

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[Morteza]

Via AMuS

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an observation, looking around a bit, i found there is one area where mclaren is different from all other cars, mclaren raise their fw mainplane outer sections earlier and more then others, this aids the rear? with more clean air while compromising front df a bit or? i quess the more mainplane closer to the ground, the more front df created?.
Also considering recent stories of a front limited car
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3xfV6YWkAA4Oxp.jpg
compared to rb
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... nt-win.jpg

I think we're starting to see a trend where the cars that make use of the full front wing (left to right) are have better front ends. Is it just coincidence ?

[M840TR]

an observation, looking around a bit, i found there is one area where mclaren is different from all other cars, mclaren raise their fw mainplane outer sections earlier and more then others, this aids the rear? with more clean air while compromising front df a bit or? i quess the more mainplane closer to the ground, the more front df created?.
Also considering recent stories of a front limited car
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3xfV6YWkAA4Oxp.jpg
compared to rb
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... nt-win.jpg

I think we're starting to see a trend where the cars that make use of the full front wing (left to right) are have better front ends. Is it just coincidence ?

That's the whole point of having a conventional FW, so not a coincidence.

[diffuser]

an observation, looking around a bit, i found there is one area where mclaren is different from all other cars, mclaren raise their fw mainplane outer sections earlier and more then others, this aids the rear? with more clean air while compromising front df a bit or? i quess the more mainplane closer to the ground, the more front df created?.
Also considering recent stories of a front limited car
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3xfV6YWkAA4Oxp.jpg
compared to rb
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... nt-win.jpg

I think we're starting to see a trend where the cars that make use of the full front wing (left to right) are have better front ends. Is it just coincidence ?

That's the whole point of having a conventional FW, so not a coincidence.

There were alot of reports at the beginning of the year/pre season that we didn't need the part of the wing in front of the tires to generate DF. Why McLaren is using the ends of the wings to move the disturbance of the air in the wake of the tires away from the side pods/mid wing. Obviously Merc and Red Bull have found a way to do both.

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[f1rules]

yeah it will be interesting to follow, if mclaren will revert to more conventional frontwing mainplane, but i dont think, since the car seem good and well balanced,
just saw an interview with gunther steiner, crying about tires, i have to say its pleasing, since they buy into everything, they dont have the tech debth to solve fast, damm i hope for a big nice upgrade package in barcelona so mclaren can continue this momentum

I think we're starting to see a trend where the cars that make use of the full front wing (left to right) are have better front ends. Is it just coincidence ?

That's the whole point of having a conventional FW, so not a coincidence.

There were alot of reports at the beginning of the year/pre season that we didn't need the part of the wing in front of the tires to generate DF. Why McLaren is using the ends of the wings to move the disturbance of the air in the wake of the tires away from the side pods/mid wing. Obviously Merc and Red Bull have found a way to do both.

[wesley123]

an observation, looking around a bit, i found there is one area where mclaren is different from all other cars, mclaren raise their fw mainplane outer sections earlier and more then others, this aids the rear? with more clean air while compromising front df a bit or? i quess the more mainplane closer to the ground, the more front df created?.
Also considering recent stories of a front limited car
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3xfV6YWkAA4Oxp.jpg
compared to rb
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... nt-win.jpg

Raising the wing off the ground will reduce pitch sensitivity, with the disadvantage of lower ground effect.

I ind it difficult to say what it's point is since these days the cars are more front-df limited than rear

[PhillipM]

The benefit is easy - they needed stable, predictable aerodynamics to make damned sure last year didn't happen again and if it did they could spot it

[KingHamilton01]

Very interested to see what McLaren bring to spain upgrade wise, Norris saying not one area there is a weakness on the car and that they need to develop it in all area's. I would expect bargeboards, rear wing, front wing and floor? but maybe they will want to focus on bargeboards in particular?

[M840TR]

Very interested to see what McLaren bring to spain upgrade wise, Norris saying not one area there is a weakness on the car and that they need to develop it in all area's. I would expect bargeboards, rear wing, front wing and floor? but maybe they will want to focus on bargeboards in particular?

There's a floor upgrade that's been confirmed by PhillipM's source at MTC, which are usually accompanied by changes in bargeboards as well given the air's travel path. I'm not sure about the front wing though; on one hand they have front-end issues but on the other current regs don't have a high development ceiling for them like before.

[Ground Effect]

Very interested to see what McLaren bring to spain upgrade wise, Norris saying not one area there is a weakness on the car and that they need to develop it in all area's. I would expect bargeboards, rear wing, front wing and floor? but maybe they will want to focus on bargeboards in particular?

There's a floor upgrade that's been confirmed by PhillipM's source at MTC, which are usually accompanied by changes in bargeboards as well given the air's travel path. I'm not sure about the front wing though; on one hand they have front-end issues but on the other current regs don't have a high development ceiling for them like before.

Given the limitations of front wing developments, due to said current regulations, what would be an alternate route in fixing front-end issues?

[diffuser]

an observation, looking around a bit, i found there is one area where mclaren is different from all other cars, mclaren raise their fw mainplane outer sections earlier and more then others, this aids the rear? with more clean air while compromising front df a bit or? i quess the more mainplane closer to the ground, the more front df created?.
Also considering recent stories of a front limited car
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3xfV6YWkAA4Oxp.jpg
compared to rb
https://cdn-1.motorsport.com/images/amp ... nt-win.jpg

Raising the wing off the ground will reduce pitch sensitivity, with the disadvantage of lower ground effect.

I ind it difficult to say what it's point is since these days the cars are more front-df limited than rear

The closer to the ground the front wing gets, the more difficult is is from the air to get underneath, hence, more DF it generates. One of the reasons for Rake. Clearly shortining the raised section of the wing is area where they can easily gain DF.