2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[godlameroso]

Wednesday/Thursday can't come soon enough. Can't wait to see an updated McLaren.

[Ground Effect]

Wednesday/Thursday can't come soon enough. Can't wait to see an updated McLaren.

I hope they don't end up being underwhelming, more accurately, I hope they work! Getting ahead of the midfield by a couple of tenths would be fantastic, while making net gains on the leaders as well.

[SmallSoldier]

Next weekend will definitely be an interesting one, but I’m learning to keep my expectations in check and try not to expect too much... The Spain GP will be an interesting one, but there are other teams that might show better form, like Haas (who I would expect them to get back to contention) or Renault (who I believe will show better performance in Spain compared to previous rounds).


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[godlameroso]

The car McLaren started this season screams untapped potential. It still has a long way to go, but things don't feel hopeless like last year.

[dtro]

The car McLaren started this season screams untapped potential. It still has a long way to go, but things don't feel hopeless like last year.

They haven't really had a car that doesn't quite want to not car like Williams in the last few years. As bad as they were for McLaren/fans of McLaren at least they had a chassis that could score points if the engine didn't sh&t itself.

Onward and upward now? If updates go according to plan.

[Ground Effect]

Next weekend will definitely be an interesting one, but I’m learning to keep my expectations in check and try not to expect too much... The Spain GP will be an interesting one, but there are other teams that might show better form, like Haas (who I would expect them to get back to contention) or Renault (who I believe will show better performance in Spain compared to previous rounds).


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Very true about Haas and Renault, fingers crossed we do a good job with the upgrades.

[GoranF1]

Impossible whitout works engine deal Carlos....

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... Sainz.html

[diffuser]

Impossible whitout works engine deal Carlos....

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... Sainz.html

The PU rules have significantly changed around allowed differences between what works and customer teams are allowed to run since that statement was made. It doesn't apply any more. Customer team cannot be more than 1 PU rev back and the works team is only allowed to run mapping that are also found on the customer teams.

I can see Renault having a conflict of interest if Renault/McLaren were one/two...But even then if McLaren PU failure or any comments from McLaren feeling their PU was detuned and was the deciding factor, would be a publicity disaster for Renault. I doubt they would not do everything possible to help McLaren win if Renault was too far behind. I'm sure they'd rather see their brand+McLaren defeating Ferrari, Mercedes than just being beaten.

[the EDGE]

Impossible whitout works engine deal Carlos....

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... Sainz.html

Are you suggesting Redbull actually did the impossible?

[diffuser]

Impossible whitout works engine deal Carlos....

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... Sainz.html

Are you suggesting Redbull actually did the impossible?

Those were very different Times. The engine were frozen. Only 1 update a year and the manufacturer had to prove it was for reliability concerns ONLY. Not really an apple to apple comparison.

[GoranF1]

Impossible whitout works engine deal Carlos....

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... Sainz.html

Are you suggesting Redbull actually did the impossible?

At a time Renault was Lotus? Yes.

[SmallSoldier]

It will be hard to become champion with a customer deal, but the rules were changed to avoid the works team getting a better PU than the customers or better/different engine mapping (which used to be the case).

The only problem today for a customer team compared to a works team is in regards to packaging, since it will be build around the works car and could be a compromise in terms of design for the customer... But even when difficult, a customer team could become champion... That’s why Mercedes and Ferrari denied Red Bull the option to get their engines.

If the Renault PU would match the output of Mercedes / Ferrari, Mclaren could be in a position to win the Championship if they would bring a chassis capable of it.


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[GoranF1]

Impossible whitout works engine deal Carlos....

http://www.onestopstrategy.com/article/ ... Sainz.html

Are you suggesting Redbull actually did the impossible?

Whit the current politics system in F1 only manufacturers can fight for title and/or someone whit unlimited budget like Redbull. So Mclaren stands no chance despite the fact that they sold more cars then last year.
Unless you want to continue have orgasams after finishing 7th and 8th, then you won already.

[PhillipM]

Are you suggesting Redbull actually did the impossible?

Redbull pretty much was the works team at the time.

[Andres125sx]

RBR has never fighted Renault, when RBR was a title contender, Renault wasn´t, so the french were happy to see their PUs winning races and titles even if in a different car.

But if Renault and McLaren some day fight each other... it will be a different matter. Even if current rules try to minimize differences between manufacturers and customers. Rules don´t allow manufacturers to provide inferior PUs, but if some day McLaren is fighting Renault, I wouldn´t be surprised if Renault cancels their supply of PU for next season

That´s what I´d do at least, it´s common sense, if you invest millions and millions to develop a PU and a team , and then some other team beat you with your own PU... IMHO the only chance McLaren has to become WDC or WCC with Renault is if Renault team underperform and they´re not rivals. Or if McLaren becomes a tittle contender sudenly when nobody was expecting that so Renault can´t cancel their contract till next season.