2019 Spanish Grand Prix - Catalunya, May 10-12

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dans79 wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:48
Edax wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:13
Amazing by Bottas. But I wonder whether Bottas 2.0 can keep this up. Hamilton has won so many championships coming from behind. It is almost like he needs the underdog position to extract his best performances.
From what I have seen, Bottas is taking a lot more risks than Hamilton. In FP2 for example he was pounding the curbs in the final chicane, He was also running out on the grass in the same way that lead to Stroll's accident. If he isn't careful, its will eventually come back and bite him.
Driver taking risks and driving 100% in Q :shock: ? This has to be stopped, not what F1 is about.

I appreciate your concern and good point: with 0,6 s gap he didn't even need that. 0,6 minus BS Q2 battery warm up traffic shift in mass vehicular singularity :wink: excuses of course.

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f1316 wrote:
11 May 2019, 17:12
There’s a lot of understeer in that Ferrari - and that seems like something they could dial out in various ways - so I’m wondering if they knew they would be behind Mercedes in quali and so rolled the dice on trying to make the tyres work better in the race? Either that or, as mentioned above, they have such a problem with tyre management that this is what’s just required to have any race pace?

Either way, and linking to Vet’s comments about not having the same feeling since test 1, I’m beginning to really think that they had to revert front suspension design in the second test, because it in some contributed to Vettel’s issue. I don’t see any other explanation that makes sense.

Another thought though: losing their chief designer, Simone Resta, last year might have had more impact than people thought.
This might indicate what I said about intentionally setting the car up for the race:

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vett ... n/4386135/

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If either Merc will get behind a Ferrari in the start they'll be there for a long time.

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One of those off weekends for Lewis. He made a lot of mistakes with his 1st run in q3. I feel like he may have lost almost a sec. Anyhow, I hope Lewis is not underestimating Bottas. I think Lewis can easily beat him with his A-game but he needs to bring that A-game first :D

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Bottas pole points out how important his new race engineer is. Look at any top driver and you will find a top notch engineer.

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iotar__ wrote:
11 May 2019, 20:17
dans79 wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:48
Edax wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:13
Amazing by Bottas. But I wonder whether Bottas 2.0 can keep this up. Hamilton has won so many championships coming from behind. It is almost like he needs the underdog position to extract his best performances.
From what I have seen, Bottas is taking a lot more risks than Hamilton. In FP2 for example he was pounding the curbs in the final chicane, He was also running out on the grass in the same way that lead to Stroll's accident. If he isn't careful, its will eventually come back and bite him.
Driver taking risks and driving 100% in Q :shock: ? This has to be stopped, not what F1 is about.
Jesus man do you even read before you post, I said FP2.
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nevill3 wrote:
11 May 2019, 19:41
Parc ferme conditions allow for replacement of certain broken items on a like for like basis
True but you have to restore the car to the condition it was during its fastest lap. In this case whatever damage there may be Leclerc ran his fastest lap with it.

I believe that was the argument they used when Hamilton wanted to replace a brake which glazed early in Q. If I am correct Jordan also had such a problem once with the floor.

Since the car didn’t came back fully after the barge board repair, I wonder whether there is some residual damage to the floors leading edge, t-tray or diffusor from running over the bargeboard.

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TAG wrote:
11 May 2019, 17:55
That was a fantastic lap by Bottas, maybe the best of his career. No one is a "fan" of Mercedes, it's just not that kind of team. But man do you have to respect what they're doing in the sport. The "heritage" teams are looking like a chump, Red Bull can at least claim to be a soft drinks company. Points are awarded on Sunday but it's difficult to see beyond a 5th Mercedes 1-2 at the moment. God have mercy these race threads should that happen.
Must be pretty taxing on anyone trying to dethrone Mercedes. Will be pretty taxing on the fans if they score another 1-2. I can see why Vettel is shying away from legacy talk (though who would unless pushed by a reporter but regardless), his achievements with RBR kind of pale in comparison, and he must know that Schumi's track record with the Scuderia is pretty much untouchable for him after 5 years with them. Let alone the rest of the field.

I need a nap.

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MtthsMlw wrote:
11 May 2019, 17:43
CriXus wrote:
11 May 2019, 17:41
Pre-season: Mercedes 1:16.224, Ferrari 1:16.221
Spanish GP: Mercedes 1:15.406, Ferrari 1:16.272
Merc improved more than Ferrari. 8 tenths more..
Unless I'm reading it wrong, Ferrari actually got worse!

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pb6797 wrote:
11 May 2019, 23:09
MtthsMlw wrote:
11 May 2019, 17:43
CriXus wrote:
11 May 2019, 17:41
Pre-season: Mercedes 1:16.224, Ferrari 1:16.221
Spanish GP: Mercedes 1:15.406, Ferrari 1:16.272
Merc improved more than Ferrari. 8 tenths more..
Unless I'm reading it wrong, Ferrari actually got worse!
Different tyres. C5 were used in testing, C3 today. Ferraris' fastest time on C3 in testing was a 1:16.7 so they improved by around half a second. Merc obviously improved much more or they simply showed absolutely nothing in testing.

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Ferrari's are 1 second off Mercedes if Lewis is to be believed.
"Sebastian there's very, you're a member of a very select few.. Stewart, Lauda, Piquet, Senna, Prost, Schumacher, Fangio.. VETTEL!"

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Everyone GOING IN on Ferrari should remember that Mercedes is not only 8 tenths ahead of Ferrari, but of the ENTIRE FIELD. Hell, even the mighty Adrian Newey. Redbull are getting similar S3 times in Barcelona to ferrari, and they’re usually the benchmark in the slow/twisty stuff. Merc is the outlier, not ferrari.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I think it’s fair to say Mercedes has done something unique with their suspension. Thoughts? Something similar to fric, perhaps? They’re literally 6 tenths ahead of the field in a sector that is 25 seconds long.

I usually laugh in people’s faces when they just assume Mercedes is cheating (and I’m not saying they are, but I am saying they’re doing something different to the others)... how is this possible though? They clearly have a solution that no one else does at the moment or it just doesn’t add up. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds...

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Juzh, are you gonna post qualifying onboards on your google drive account?

I wish the track wasn't resurfaced, so that we could differentiate the cars at Campsa

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JPBD1990 wrote:
12 May 2019, 01:51
Everyone GOING IN on Ferrari should remember that Mercedes is not only 8 tenths ahead of Ferrari, but of the ENTIRE FIELD. Hell, even the mighty Adrian Newey. Redbull are getting similar S3 times in Barcelona to ferrari, and they’re usually the benchmark in the slow/twisty stuff. Merc is the outlier, not ferrari.

I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I think it’s fair to say Mercedes has done something unique with their suspension. Thoughts? Something similar to fric, perhaps? They’re literally 6 tenths ahead of the field in a sector that is 25 seconds long.

I usually laugh in people’s faces when they just assume Mercedes is cheating (and I’m not saying they are, but I am saying they’re doing something different to the others)... how is this possible though? They clearly have a solution that no one else does at the moment or it just doesn’t add up. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds...
Yeah...I wonder if Peter Windsor still thinks Ferrari can win Monaco. Gosh, Merc is going to dominate there. Heck Merc is going to dominate everywhere except Canada and Monza, which will likely suit Ferrari more. But the championship is effectively over imo.