2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

lets not fool ourselves, today's points are brought to you by Norris. without norris saniza had no chance and would have been with Racing point. to me, it also looks like , taking ferrari route on Front wing might be the problem. maybe they got influenced by ferrari's pace in pre-season and went there. mclaren does not have enough resources to purse 2 different philosophies in parallel (unlike merc/rb) they committed to Ferrari's one and might have made a blunder.

Did the SC work on Mclaren’s behalf? Yes it did... But with a one stop strategy, they may have ended in the points regardless.

The reality is that after the VSC, Sainz passed on track both Kvyat and Grosjean to finish eight... That was based on both car performance and driver ability.

I’m sure that Mclaren has and is still looking at all possible arrangements for the front wing, we all need to keep in mind that this particular design is the work of a couple months of design, testing and data analysis... If they went for it, is probably suits their package better than other alternatives and they haven’t been able to make another design work as well as this one.

Also, let’s keep in mind that during the race, Sainz kept mentioning lack of rear grip, which means that the front was loading properly and they weren’t complaining of understeer during the weekend (which means they solve that particular issue).

Coming into the season, the team wanted to be able to fight in the midfield (something that was foreign to them by the end of 2018) and they are achieving just that... The team and everyone that wants Mclaren to succeed wants to clear the midfield, but that doesn’t mean that it will happen overnight... So far, everything coming out from the team is positive, the atmosphere is good, there is a lot of enthusiasm and the car seems to be responsive to improvements... The team is luckily changing their philosophy from “fixing” things to “improving things” and that’s a good position to be in towards the rest of season... 5 races in and at least there is expectation or hope that they will be fighting for points more often than not and that is great!


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[Godius]

Terrible mistake from Lando.

He was wrong but it was not that terrible in my opinion, these are just mistakes a driver makes in his rookie season. Hopefully he will learn from it.

[Bisonas]

I have to laugh at everyone saying that SAI would get P8 with a Soft/Medium one stop.
RIC behind him was matching his times on same laps used Hards waiting for the last 15 laps to pass him.
Soft/Medium/Soft 2 stopper was a more probable outcome without SC.
And even if SAI managed to pull out a Soft/medium one stop, RIC would pass him for sure on track, and HAAS TR drivers would probably all re-pass him on track being right behind him on last 15 laps, on fresh rubber while SAI would be on what ?? 35 laps mediums ??

Ric hadn't been able to get past him for 15 laps even trying every time down the main straight, the Mclaren was too fast out of the chicane for him to get anywhere near close enough down the start of the straight. Sainz was still putting in laptimes more than fast enough that with a pitstop and deg on the mediums they still likely wouldn't have caught him in time.

They pitted same time on lap 25. RIC went for Hard SAI went for Medium. RIC was comfortably staying with in SAI Drs even if he was on Hards. He was just waiting SAI mediums to lose performance, in the last 15 laps RIC would be on 25 laps Hards and SAI on 25 laps mediums. Who do you think would have advantage ?? RIC would pass SAI easy on last 10 laps if SAI was going for Soft/Medium one Stop. SC came on perfect timing for SAI and in the worst moment for RIC.
You can Replay Live Timming on F1 app and confirm what ever i say.

[Shader]

Although I'm happy for today's results, pace is a serious concern now. Team needs to look deep into effects of these upgrades... something doesn't fit... either Hass has made some unbelievable discovery in the right direction. They have to finish 4th in constructors... everything else is a failure.

[Jackles-UK]

Terrible mistake from Lando.

He was wrong but it was not that terrible in my opinion, these are just mistakes a driver makes in his rookie season. Hopefully he will learn from it.

Lando was criticised after Australia for being too conservative trying to pass Giovinazzi and he’s now being criticised for being too aggressive trying pass Stroll, poor bloke can’t win! I actually don’t think Lando was fully to blame, yes it was maybe a bit hopeful to hang it out around the outside but a wiser driver outside of him wouldn’t have shut the door so abruptly - racing incident for me.

Fernando in the car for the test early next week I believe, interesting to see if his experience can help tune some more speed out of the chassis.

[PhillipM]

The only place to pass here realistically unless you have massively more performance is on the straight, I don't see it happening even with old mediums - mclaren showed in practice that their longruns on tyres were incredibly good in terms of drop off, and Ric couldn't get the jump on anyone down the straight even after the restart, the Renault just wasn't close enough in the final sector for DRS and full engine power to close the gap enough.

[bosyber]

Although I'm happy for today's results, pace is a serious concern now. Team needs to look deep into effects of these upgrades... something doesn't fit... either Hass has made some unbelievable discovery in the right direction. They have to finish 4th in constructors... everything else is a failure.

You seem to be forgetting that in the 1st four races, Haas was great on Saturday, and sunk on Sunday, because they had trouble keeping the tyres warm - the big difference for them is, on this flowing track with relatively fast corners that wasn't a problem and so they didn't sink. Finishing behind them on this track thus isn't so bad (and they too had a lot of updates).

[diffuser]

lets not fool ourselves, today's points are brought to you by Norris. without norris saniza had no chance and would have been with Racing point. to me, it also looks like , taking ferrari route on Front wing might be the problem. maybe they got influenced by ferrari's pace in pre-season and went there. mclaren does not have enough resources to purse 2 different philosophies in parallel (unlike merc/rb) they committed to Ferrari's one and might have made a blunder.

Did the SC work on Mclaren’s behalf? Yes it did... But with a one stop strategy, they may have ended in the points regardless.

The reality is that after the VSC, Sainz passed on track both Kvyat and Grosjean to finish eight... That was based on both car performance and driver ability.

I’m sure that Mclaren has and is still looking at all possible arrangements for the front wing, we all need to keep in mind that this particular design is the work of a couple months of design, testing and data analysis... If they went for it, is probably suits their package better than other alternatives and they haven’t been able to make another design work as well as this one.

Also, let’s keep in mind that during the race, Sainz kept mentioning lack of rear grip, which means that the front was loading properly and they weren’t complaining of understeer during the weekend (which means they solve that particular issue).

Coming into the season, the team wanted to be able to fight in the midfield (something that was foreign to them by the end of 2018) and they are achieving just that... The team and everyone that wants Mclaren to succeed wants to clear the midfield, but that doesn’t mean that it will happen overnight... So far, everything coming out from the team is positive, the atmosphere is good, there is a lot of enthusiasm and the car seems to be responsive to improvements... The team is luckily changing their philosophy from “fixing” things to “improving things” and that’s a good position to be in towards the rest of season... 5 races in and at least there is expectation or hope that they will be fighting for points more often than not and that is great!


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What it looked like to me was all the cars around sainz pitted during safety car and came out behind safety car. Sainz did an extra lap then pitted on safety car and came out in front of the safety car. He later passes Grossjean. Cause he was being stupid.

[Bisonas]

soft/medium one stop its a no go. 40+ laps on medium its too much to ask on this circuit. RIC had the better tyre for one stop, he would probably have pass SAI without SC. Driving to delta shows that SAI he was in did trying to make it, but it was very very optimistic. The SC was music in his ears.
The Long runs on Friday where made on Soft/hard and on Saturday they did like 13 lap stints on Medium .I don't know how or why you can assume that they would make 40+ medium stint in the race. Anyway, i am not gonna debate it farther. As i said, Live timing replay on F1 app can show exactly what was going on.
The important thing now is to have a good and productive 2 day test. Old or new FW, i don't know. I only hope what ever decisions will make after this test, to be the right ones.

[Bisonas]

lets not fool ourselves, today's points are brought to you by Norris. without norris saniza had no chance and would have been with Racing point. to me, it also looks like , taking ferrari route on Front wing might be the problem. maybe they got influenced by ferrari's pace in pre-season and went there. mclaren does not have enough resources to purse 2 different philosophies in parallel (unlike merc/rb) they committed to Ferrari's one and might have made a blunder.

Did the SC work on Mclaren’s behalf? Yes it did... But with a one stop strategy, they may have ended in the points regardless.

The reality is that after the VSC, Sainz passed on track both Kvyat and Grosjean to finish eight... That was based on both car performance and driver ability.

I’m sure that Mclaren has and is still looking at all possible arrangements for the front wing, we all need to keep in mind that this particular design is the work of a couple months of design, testing and data analysis... If they went for it, is probably suits their package better than other alternatives and they haven’t been able to make another design work as well as this one.

Also, let’s keep in mind that during the race, Sainz kept mentioning lack of rear grip, which means that the front was loading properly and they weren’t complaining of understeer during the weekend (which means they solve that particular issue).

Coming into the season, the team wanted to be able to fight in the midfield (something that was foreign to them by the end of 2018) and they are achieving just that... The team and everyone that wants Mclaren to succeed wants to clear the midfield, but that doesn’t mean that it will happen overnight... So far, everything coming out from the team is positive, the atmosphere is good, there is a lot of enthusiasm and the car seems to be responsive to improvements... The team is luckily changing their philosophy from “fixing” things to “improving things” and that’s a good position to be in towards the rest of season... 5 races in and at least there is expectation or hope that they will be fighting for points more often than not and that is great!


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What it looked like to me was all the cars around sainz pitted during safety car and came out behind safety car. Sainz did an extra lap then pitted on safety car and came out in front of the safety car. He later passes Grossjean. Cause he was being stupid.

TBH when i saw that SAINZ din't pit immediately , i thought wtf ?? MCL did it again. mess it up or that SAI had just passed the pit entry. Some how delaying entering for one lap, benefit us. I don't know exactly why that happen. I can only Assume that there was a yellow flag before the safety car call. many cars pitted on yellow flag assuming that their will be safety car ?? and maybe those few seconds that SAI was going full speed on another part of the circuit, gain him some time?? When he pitted one lap l8r race was under safe car and everyone was going on fixed speed.
i am guessing i don't really know for sure. But i found it strange. if someone have some details on how SAI gained time entering pits one lap l8r than others would be good to share.

[charliesmithhd]

Did the SC work on Mclaren’s behalf? Yes it did... But with a one stop strategy, they may have ended in the points regardless.

The reality is that after the VSC, Sainz passed on track both Kvyat and Grosjean to finish eight... That was based on both car performance and driver ability.

I’m sure that Mclaren has and is still looking at all possible arrangements for the front wing, we all need to keep in mind that this particular design is the work of a couple months of design, testing and data analysis... If they went for it, is probably suits their package better than other alternatives and they haven’t been able to make another design work as well as this one.

Also, let’s keep in mind that during the race, Sainz kept mentioning lack of rear grip, which means that the front was loading properly and they weren’t complaining of understeer during the weekend (which means they solve that particular issue).

Coming into the season, the team wanted to be able to fight in the midfield (something that was foreign to them by the end of 2018) and they are achieving just that... The team and everyone that wants Mclaren to succeed wants to clear the midfield, but that doesn’t mean that it will happen overnight... So far, everything coming out from the team is positive, the atmosphere is good, there is a lot of enthusiasm and the car seems to be responsive to improvements... The team is luckily changing their philosophy from “fixing” things to “improving things” and that’s a good position to be in towards the rest of season... 5 races in and at least there is expectation or hope that they will be fighting for points more often than not and that is great!


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What it looked like to me was all the cars around sainz pitted during safety car and came out behind safety car. Sainz did an extra lap then pitted on safety car and came out in front of the safety car. He later passes Grossjean. Cause he was being stupid.

TBH when i saw that SAINZ din't pit immediately , i thought wtf ?? MCL did it again. mess it up or that SAI had just passed the pit entry. Some how delaying entering for one lap, benefit us. I don't know exactly why that happen. I can only Assume that there was a yellow flag before the safety car call. many cars pitted on yellow flag assuming that their will be safety car ?? and maybe those few seconds that SAI was going full speed on another part of the circuit, gain him some time?? When he pitted one lap l8r race was under safe car and everyone was going on fixed speed.
i am guessing i don't really know for sure.

I think the ones that pitted before got caught up behind the safety car going slow whilst sainz could go a little faster under yellow flag conditions

[RonDennis]

Although I'm happy for today's results, pace is a serious concern now. Team needs to look deep into effects of these upgrades... something doesn't fit... either Hass has made some unbelievable discovery in the right direction. They have to finish 4th in constructors... everything else is a failure.

Haas were always going to be good here. They just had problems with their tires so far, it's not like their chassis was worse than the McLaren. It's quite a big change, so it may take them some extra time to extract the max out of it setup wise. People in here seem to forget that other teams are also bringing updates and that the pace in China (quali) also wasn't great. If they end up 4th, they've done a good job.

[Ground Effect]

I remember after Bahrain it looked like Red Bull were in trouble, but after the 2 day test, they learned a lot and were able to make adjustments quickly. By the next race, they were up there again. Let’s hope it’s the same with us after the post Grand Prix test. It’s a lot of changes, which would take more than the FP’s to fully understand. On another note, pit stops seemed to be fantastic, could be up for fastest stop. Which further points to all areas of the team and operations improving.

[Mansell89]

To get 8th here is actually a really good result I think on the balance of the weekend.

That said, it also once again highlighted how incredibly close it is between Haas, McLaren, Toro Rosso, Renault, Alfa and Racing Point.


Good to see McLaren fighting and getting points- Sunday’s are where it counts- but equally I think a good weekend to remind us of reality- it’s a lot of hard work to distinguish yourself from this midfield and start to look forward.

Some good people in the team to help that happen gradually, and hopefully the regular small improvements to help.

[zoroastar]

people are overreacting. does anyone remember what our pace was like in china compared to bahrain? the last half of spains course is similar to the long sweeping, front limited portions in china. haas were always going to be more competitive here during the race because they didnt have to deal with tire temp issues. its very close between tr, haas and mclaren and results are still very track dependant. and spain isnt one of mclarens stronger tracks. remember that haas and toro roso started the year with a proven baseline in last years ferrari and redbull chassis. its only 5 races in so itll take a minute for us to out develope them if thats what happens. everyone seems to be really manic in their reactions to every single session.