2019 Monaco Grand Prix - Monte Carlo, May 23-26

[Restomaniac]

So now the dust has settled the net result is that Hamilton is starting the expected edging clear and Mercedes look even more certain for the WCC.

[Restomaniac]

Max was the only one (helped by his team) that made this race even remotely interesting. Even my cat would vote him driver of the day.

That’s like voting a GK the MOTM for punching the ball into his own net in a boring 1-0 loss

[Dr. Acula]

Would the unsafe release also apply if Verstappen didn’t touch Bottas?

Probably yes. The Pitlane in Monaco is simply not wide enough for 2 cars of the current generation to drive through side by side. There are 2 yellow dotted lines along the pitlane which basically seperate the fastlane from the actuall pit area/working area. Verstappen was fully over this lines with his left side wheels and as far as i know, that's something the stuarts really don't like to see because if a team further down the pitlane would have been ready for pit stop, Verstappen would have potentially rolled over their right hand side tyre change crews.

[nacho]

I remember some teams losing a lot of time when waiting for the passing car on pits. I don't know if the rules got more relaxed some time ago or why Red Bull released Verstappen.

[hollus]

Looking at the consequences, Red Bull were right to release Verstappen. Today it did not turn out that way, but in Monaco, 2 positions are worth much more than 5 seconds. It is up to the stewards to properly punish an unsafe release.
From 4th, against drivers in similar tires, he'd likely have finished 4th or worse. From 2nd (+5sec), he still finished 4th and had an excellent chance at 2nd and even 1st. It is like a tactical yellow card in soccer, totally worth it.

[Restomaniac]

Looking at the consequences, Red Bull were right to release Verstappen. Today it did not turn out that way, but in Monaco, 2 positions are worth much more than 5 seconds. It is up to the stewards to properly punish an unsafe release.
From 4th, against drivers in similar tires, he'd likely have finished 4th or worse. From 2nd (+5sec), he still finished 4th and had an excellent chance at 2nd and even 1st. It is like a tactical yellow card in soccer, totally worth it.

Indeed. RedBull threw the dice and lost but he was given a very small penalty. However even a worse penalty would have probably seen him 4th due to the lack of quality (cars and/or drivers) behind. In this case it was more about severity of the penalty which would and should have laid down a marker.

[Scorpaguy]

Well...looks like Williams could have had Kub in the top 15 if it were not for the Gio torpedo.

Snooze fest at the front except for the Vers torpedo on Ham (great drivers in great cars do not spin i guess).

Did everyone see Vet after the race...this man has resigned himself to his fate and seems OK with it. Was very comfortable to let the Vers penalty give him what may be his best result of the year. Not even sweating...he may have to go back to the hotel and get some exercise.

Oh well, the Indy 500 is entertaining.

[Restomaniac]

Well...looks like Williams could have had Kub in the top 15 if it were not for the Gio torpedo.

Snooze fest at the front except for the Vers torpedo on Ham (great drivers in great cars do not spin i guess).

Did everyone see Vet after the race...this man has resigned himself to his fate and seems OK with it. Was very comfortable to let the Vers penalty give him what may be his best result of the year. Not even sweating...he may have to go back to the hotel and get some exercise.

Oh well, the Indy 500 is entertaining.

That was my point earlier.
Bono should have been on the radio with 2/3 laps to go dropping ‘Verstappen has a 5 SECOND penalty’ hints left right and centre. Vettel would have been happy to just sit there in 2nd where as Verstappens whole podium revolved around getting 5 seconds ahead of Bottas and so was always going to try something.

[zibby43]

Hamilton’s drive was really good if one considers the mental aspect of it... It is easier to keep a car in the lead at Monaco that is underpowered than a car that is losing front grip, especially if you have a driver like Verstappen behind you and as close as he always was... If your front grip isn’t there, your braking points are different, you are constantly concerned about locking (and further destroying your tires and having to pit or simply being passed with the car behind you in within a second from you)... Understeer is also pretty stressful in a track that penalizes any mistakes and could have easily hit a barrier... I can only imagine the stress inside the car, not an easy drive for sure.


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Post of the day. Completely, 100% agree.

[komninosm]

Would the unsafe release also apply if Verstappen didn’t touch Bottas?

Probably yes. The Pitlane in Monaco is simply not wide enough for 2 cars of the current generation to drive through side by side. There are 2 yellow dotted lines along the pitlane which basically seperate the fastlane from the actuall pit area/working area. Verstappen was fully over this lines with his left side wheels and as far as i know, that's something the stuarts really don't like to see because if a team further down the pitlane would have been ready for pit stop, Verstappen would have potentially rolled over their right hand side tyre change crews.

He was extremely lucky, if his wheels had collided with Bottas (like if Bottas had slowed down a tiny bit more when Ver crashed him into the pit wall), then one or both cars would have spinned into the pit crews something fierce.
The 5 second penalty is a total joke.
No wonder he crashed into Hamilton later, cause why not? FIA are babysitting Verstappen for years now and one day it will cause a big injury.

[Sierra117]

Hamilton’s drive was really good if one considers the mental aspect of it... It is easier to keep a car in the lead at Monaco that is underpowered than a car that is losing front grip, especially if you have a driver like Verstappen behind you and as close as he always was... If your front grip isn’t there, your braking points are different, you are constantly concerned about locking (and further destroying your tires and having to pit or simply being passed with the car behind you in within a second from you)... Understeer is also pretty stressful in a track that penalizes any mistakes and could have easily hit a barrier... I can only imagine the stress inside the car, not an easy drive for sure.


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Post of the day. Completely, 100% agree.

My oh my, how we transgress - out with this logic and sound reasoning! Begone! The insolence!

[Sieper]

Exactly, you have to push and try, and also defend with all you have, like the two frontrunners did this year, unlike the ones last year (Ricci couldn’t do anything for it due to loosing the mgu-h)

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/4012 ... e-into-f1/

[zibby43]

Hamilton’s drive was really good if one considers the mental aspect of it... It is easier to keep a car in the lead at Monaco that is underpowered than a car that is losing front grip, especially if you have a driver like Verstappen behind you and as close as he always was... If your front grip isn’t there, your braking points are different, you are constantly concerned about locking (and further destroying your tires and having to pit or simply being passed with the car behind you in within a second from you)... Understeer is also pretty stressful in a track that penalizes any mistakes and could have easily hit a barrier... I can only imagine the stress inside the car, not an easy drive for sure.


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Post of the day. Completely, 100% agree.

My oh my, how we transgress - out with this logic and sound reasoning! Begone! The insolence!

Post of the day #2.

[Morteza]

The marshal Perez said "I nearly killed him"

https://twitter.com/FiftyBucksss/status ... 12192?s=09

[ubuysa]

I'm sorry but Max has learned nothing since last year. Theres nothing wrong with being aggressive but Max is just plain dirty.

They let him go quickly at the pit stop which was fair enough, but when Max realised he wasn't going to get ahead of Bottas he tried to run him off the road. That's not acceptable.

I've watched the Lewis contact many times now and although Max locked up I'm convinced he was trying to nudge Lewis into a spin. It was the only way he was ever going to get past on that track. Also not acceptable.

Leclerc is an aggressive and talented driver too but he knows these aren't stock cars. Max still has to learn that. He's still a danger to himself and all those around him.