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If it's going to happen, do we think both teams, Ferrari and Renault, may be affected in one or the other way?
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It's a bit less simple as you state it here. Renault is the big spender in the manufacturers circle, together with Honda. Ferrari is funded by the FIA/FOM and Philip Morris. The F1 program doesn't cost FIAT too much. Mercedes is getting a lot of funding from Petronas (and the FIA/FOM of course)Scorpaguy wrote: ↑27 May 2019, 23:03I posted this in another thread:
"As we see more heads than hearts begin making these decisions, this merger could really shake things up. Ferrari spends the most cash but continually posts 3rd/4th (or worse results). Renault's results are also not commensurate with their spending. With Merc's tech/engineering excellence continuing to dominate, I can foresee LARGE teams leaving as constructors to save face...retaining a minor presence in the sport as Aston Martin does with RB."
I think WEC's hyper car reg's could play a role as well. Ferrari may be tiring of spending large and just getting embarrassed. Since their woes are not cash related...and they seem unable to field a winning team (certain team calls being absolutely amateurish this year), switching to a more road car relevant series may be a good move for them. IMHO, i cannot see the Big Red continuing their farcical attempts at F1 glory...good grief, Bino's boys keeping Leclerc in the pits in Quali 1 was a mistake no other team would have made.
I can see Alfa getting a bit more cash...Ferrari branded engines...and Big Red leaving. Such a move would keep Renault in.
I certainly agree with your statements on how each brands funding is diversified. However, Renault just quit FE to concentrate on F1...I cannot fathom why they would about face. They are a big Company and can spend such.Jolle wrote: ↑27 May 2019, 23:30It's a bit less simple as you state it here. Renault is the big spender in the manufacturers circle, together with Honda. Ferrari is funded by the FIA/FOM and Philip Morris. The F1 program doesn't cost FIAT too much. Mercedes is getting a lot of funding from Petronas (and the FIA/FOM of course)Scorpaguy wrote: ↑27 May 2019, 23:03I posted this in another thread:
"As we see more heads than hearts begin making these decisions, this merger could really shake things up. Ferrari spends the most cash but continually posts 3rd/4th (or worse results). Renault's results are also not commensurate with their spending. With Merc's tech/engineering excellence continuing to dominate, I can foresee LARGE teams leaving as constructors to save face...retaining a minor presence in the sport as Aston Martin does with RB."
I think WEC's hyper car reg's could play a role as well. Ferrari may be tiring of spending large and just getting embarrassed. Since their woes are not cash related...and they seem unable to field a winning team (certain team calls being absolutely amateurish this year), switching to a more road car relevant series may be a good move for them. IMHO, i cannot see the Big Red continuing their farcical attempts at F1 glory...good grief, Bino's boys keeping Leclerc in the pits in Quali 1 was a mistake no other team would have made.
I can see Alfa getting a bit more cash...Ferrari branded engines...and Big Red leaving. Such a move would keep Renault in.
As for rules and racing WEC is a nice series but not so much for marketing. Formula E is a better option for the manufactures. It's cheap, lots of attention on TV and social media and events where their customers live (city centers).
If Renault and Exor merge and Philip Morris extents its contract with Ferrari (it's ending in 2020 I believe), Ferrari will stay but Renault may become the green brand, with an all-in on Formula E. And then we will be back again to three engine manufacturers. Not the biggest problem, except for McLaren (Enstone could go with Honda or Mercedes without trouble).
Bigger problem is if Philip Morris would call it quits or decides to go another route, as they are funding Ferrari since 1996.
I think CFA is spending more money on Sauber this year then on Ferrari.Scorpaguy wrote: ↑28 May 2019, 00:05I certainly agree with your statements on how each brands funding is diversified. However, Renault just quit FE to concentrate on F1...I cannot fathom why they would about face. They are a big Company and can spend such.Jolle wrote: ↑27 May 2019, 23:30It's a bit less simple as you state it here. Renault is the big spender in the manufacturers circle, together with Honda. Ferrari is funded by the FIA/FOM and Philip Morris. The F1 program doesn't cost FIAT too much. Mercedes is getting a lot of funding from Petronas (and the FIA/FOM of course)Scorpaguy wrote: ↑27 May 2019, 23:03I posted this in another thread:
"As we see more heads than hearts begin making these decisions, this merger could really shake things up. Ferrari spends the most cash but continually posts 3rd/4th (or worse results). Renault's results are also not commensurate with their spending. With Merc's tech/engineering excellence continuing to dominate, I can foresee LARGE teams leaving as constructors to save face...retaining a minor presence in the sport as Aston Martin does with RB."
I think WEC's hyper car reg's could play a role as well. Ferrari may be tiring of spending large and just getting embarrassed. Since their woes are not cash related...and they seem unable to field a winning team (certain team calls being absolutely amateurish this year), switching to a more road car relevant series may be a good move for them. IMHO, i cannot see the Big Red continuing their farcical attempts at F1 glory...good grief, Bino's boys keeping Leclerc in the pits in Quali 1 was a mistake no other team would have made.
I can see Alfa getting a bit more cash...Ferrari branded engines...and Big Red leaving. Such a move would keep Renault in.
As for rules and racing WEC is a nice series but not so much for marketing. Formula E is a better option for the manufactures. It's cheap, lots of attention on TV and social media and events where their customers live (city centers).
If Renault and Exor merge and Philip Morris extents its contract with Ferrari (it's ending in 2020 I believe), Ferrari will stay but Renault may become the green brand, with an all-in on Formula E. And then we will be back again to three engine manufacturers. Not the biggest problem, except for McLaren (Enstone could go with Honda or Mercedes without trouble).
Bigger problem is if Philip Morris would call it quits or decides to go another route, as they are funding Ferrari since 1996.
On the other hand, Ferrari are small, cannot afford such...if their cash cows grow weary of their antics and "heads begin over ruling hearts", Ferrari have to quit as they cannot compete now with 110-120% of Merc funding.
Yes, WEC is small, but more relatable to their road cars and Porsche is surviving well with minimal top tier racing exposure.
Hmmmm, maybe we should all start smoking...if not, here come those dreaded Ferrari SUV's.
This is exactly what I keep proposing for F1. These types of cost savings are the fastest way to drop the cost of participation in this sport.It will aim to save €5bn a year by sharing development costs on technology such as electric vehicles and self-driving cars.
