Which One is Fastest?

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Re: Which One is Fastest?

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Phil wrote:
31 May 2019, 09:02
Energy conservation is a huge deal in FE. On top of that, most tracks are flat and short. If they were to do a lap around Spa with those rather big altitude changes, my guess is they indeed wouldn't be able to do many laps before, yes, running out of juice.
I don’t think the issue is hills.

The closest Spa users to FE I could find are F3. I think FE would be a little slower. Perhaps 3 mins/lap mostly spent at full power pushing air out of the way. Maybe 25 to 30MJ/lap of which 1.3 MJ would be used on elevation change.

Energy available, including regen, is around 200MJ, potentially 7 to 8 laps worth. Would be less if they use the 250kW boost.
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Re: Which One is Fastest?

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henry wrote:
31 May 2019, 20:55
Phil wrote:
31 May 2019, 09:02
Energy conservation is a huge deal in FE. On top of that, most tracks are flat and short. If they were to do a lap around Spa with those rather big altitude changes, my guess is they indeed wouldn't be able to do many laps before, yes, running out of juice.
I don’t think the issue is hills.

The closest Spa users to FE I could find are F3. I think FE would be a little slower. Perhaps 3 mins/lap mostly spent at full power pushing air out of the way. Maybe 25 to 30MJ/lap of which 1.3 MJ would be used on elevation change.

Energy available, including regen, is around 200MJ, potentially 7 to 8 laps worth. Would be less if they use the 250kW boost.
Don't forget that they have to haul 900kg up the hill, its steeper then you think....

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Re: Which One is Fastest?

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Jolle wrote:
31 May 2019, 21:22
henry wrote:
31 May 2019, 20:55


I don’t think the issue is hills.

The closest Spa users to FE I could find are F3. I think FE would be a little slower. Perhaps 3 mins/lap mostly spent at full power pushing air out of the way. Maybe 25 to 30MJ/lap of which 1.3 MJ would be used on elevation change.
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Don't forget that they have to haul 900kg up the hill, its steeper then you think....
I used 900kg to calculate the potential energy of a 150m elevation change. Steepness makes no difference.
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Re: Which One is Fastest?

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henry wrote:
31 May 2019, 22:34
Jolle wrote:
31 May 2019, 21:22
henry wrote:
31 May 2019, 20:55


I don’t think the issue is hills.

The closest Spa users to FE I could find are F3. I think FE would be a little slower. Perhaps 3 mins/lap mostly spent at full power pushing air out of the way. Maybe 25 to 30MJ/lap of which 1.3 MJ would be used on elevation change.
...
Don't forget that they have to haul 900kg up the hill, its steeper then you think....
I used 900kg to calculate the potential energy of a 150m elevation change. Steepness makes no difference.
true, I did it once in a road car, had to shift from fourth to third to keep momentum :P