Me neither. You know why? Because they know exactly what they are talking about.
Quite right, apparently...GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:34..............
When you think about all of the excuses made, plus whatever telemetry and camera angles were available and the timing of all of Sebs inputs on the car, it likely all smelled like bullshit to the stewards.
If that's the case, they still were not alongside each other when Seb rejoined the track as Lew approached. If that's what's meant by "...a portion alongside..."NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:00After the race show on sky sports, Ted's notebook, Ted started with reading of the rules stating when rejoining the track whether you are in control of your car or not, you must leave a cars width when someone is a portion alongside your car. This according to Ted is in the rulebook.
So in other words they think Vettel just thought ‘screw it I’m taking the racing line!’.zeph wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:36Quite right, apparently...GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:34..............
When you think about all of the excuses made, plus whatever telemetry and camera angles were available and the timing of all of Sebs inputs on the car, it likely all smelled like bullshit to the stewards.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14399 ... y-decision
Ah, you think "racing" means "overtaking". I can see why you're annoyed then.ferenc_k wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:08Come on, there was not one real passing maneuver... not even one. Ham was not even trying to pass as he was not close enough. It is not racing for me and as I saw in the last few years not for others too. This is the reason why FIA is trying to spice up the races artificially, with drs and the like.
Or he would have put a wheel on the grass and taken them both out!Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:58Ah, you think "racing" means "overtaking". I can see why you're annoyed then.ferenc_k wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:08Come on, there was not one real passing maneuver... not even one. Ham was not even trying to pass as he was not close enough. It is not racing for me and as I saw in the last few years not for others too. This is the reason why FIA is trying to spice up the races artificially, with drs and the like.
For me, "racing" is exactly what we saw in Canada - two guys pushing hard, one trying to force the mistake, the other trying to resist. If the wall hadn't been there on the outside of the chicane, Hamilton would have powered past Vettel following the latter's mistake. That was the only thing missing, really.
Agreed.ubuysa wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:47But what he did was contrary to the rules - as he well knows. Of course, had he returned to the track as he should have done, Hamilton would have passed him. Vettel even said as much. But that's what happens when you make a mistake. No driver should expect in a close race such as that to go off track having missed a braking point and not pay a price. The price he should have paid was to lose the lead and then fight to get it back (how good would that have been to watch?) but he didn't and so the stewards (rightly) made him pay a different price.
They were watching the same feed we were. The stewards had access to more information. Thus, the stewards are the ones that know what they're talking about.
You can clearly see the racing line in those photos. You can see Hamilton moving slightly off line to give Vettel room to return to the track. Vettel then crossed the racing line causing Hamilton to have to brake on the exit. Causing another driver to have to take avoiding action whilst you rejoin is straight-up contrary to the rules. Ergo, the penalty because Vettel forced Hamilton to avoid him.roon wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:44If that's the case, they still were not alongside each other when Seb rejoined the track as Lew approached. If that's what's meant by "...a portion alongside..."NathanOlder wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:00After the race show on sky sports, Ted's notebook, Ted started with reading of the rules stating when rejoining the track whether you are in control of your car or not, you must leave a cars width when someone is a portion alongside your car. This according to Ted is in the rulebook.
https://i.imgur.com/6Ac67zv.png
https://i.imgur.com/HQBUnAc.png
Perhaps, and it would have been Vettel's fault just as it was Rosberg's...Restomaniac wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 10:00Or he would have put a wheel on the grass and taken them both out!Just_a_fan wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:58Ah, you think "racing" means "overtaking". I can see why you're annoyed then.ferenc_k wrote: ↑10 Jun 2019, 09:08Come on, there was not one real passing maneuver... not even one. Ham was not even trying to pass as he was not close enough. It is not racing for me and as I saw in the last few years not for others too. This is the reason why FIA is trying to spice up the races artificially, with drs and the like.
For me, "racing" is exactly what we saw in Canada - two guys pushing hard, one trying to force the mistake, the other trying to resist. If the wall hadn't been there on the outside of the chicane, Hamilton would have powered past Vettel following the latter's mistake. That was the only thing missing, really.
Raikkonen-Verstappen incident at 1:02 in the video below. VER incurs the same 5 second penalty, which the article claims set a precident. However, VER and RAI were alongside each other upon VER's reentry. HAM and VET were not alongside when the VET rejoined.