2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[IvailoStefanovBG]

My opinion is that Redbull is working on 80% for 2020 car and 20% on RB15. Lack of updates that address rear instability and the fact that Marco has confirmed Gasly will finish the season makes me think this way. I think the problem with RB15 dont have easy solution. Still remember Newey's face at Bahrain pitwall and gestures they changed with Horner.
The other that bothers me is Honda progress. Actually PU don't look so bad in race pace. They lack max power and potency but as Wazari said they push in engine efficiency and race performance and they achieve their goals. I think that with expected Sochi update they will fill the power hole and quali modes and actually now remember Wazari's words from recent years that this is not so hard to achieve if you have stable and efficient engine. At the end - 2019 tyres created so many problems...

[etusch]

This season is over as everyone sees. This Mercedes is so strong that catching them with inseason updates is very hard and when you catch as speed it will be too late for catching as points.
They were planning 2020 in reality and see possible this season but now latter part turned impossible for everyone. So it is logical that testing ideas and preparing for 2020.
Honda also must push harder and try to do what Ferrari did Engine side

[etusch]

https://tr.motorsport.com/f1/news/marko ... z/4481656/

[Sieper]

But they bring updates every race. I see a relentless pursuit of downforce&efficiency.

I don’t buy this 2020 story. 8 races in, you must improve now to be better next year.

[bosyber]

But they bring updates every race. I see a relentless pursuit of downforce&efficiency.

I don’t buy this 2020 story. 8 races in, you must improve now to be better next year.

I think there's possibly truth in Red Bull focussing their hopes on 2020, as indicated by Gasly being apparently more or less safe until the end of the season, but, as you say, they are trying to improve chassis and engine, so that they are back to the sort of strength they had at the end of last year; with no changes in rules, sure, Merc. might keep improving, and Ferrari might be back to a sane car, but Red Bull too need to make sure they understand their concept, and start 2020 with a strong car this time, so, yes, the car will likely keep improving, showing them their development is now solid and in the right direction.

[loner]

Same goes to the PU side. How can you beat for 60 seconds a car who was only 0.02 on quali, and being more or less equal to Ferrari on race pace?? It's clear than the engine is delivering on sundays, it's reliable, it have fuel efficiency and can sustain enough power during all race to keep that pace. You're dreaming if 1 second per lap difference with Mclaren and Renault it's only chasis related. When they clearly have problems with the rear end,traction and tires...

its a bit strange you guys trying hard to deny the words of the technical director of Honda racing f1 team (which is my reference and source) regardless this idiot with the 60 hp claim (impossible in race trim), but indeed Honda do lack power to Ferrari
and last i checked Fiat revenue is lesser than Honda revenue .. its the Honda admin call to limit the resources to develop their PU and they deserve the rant.
since day one in 2015 and Honda statements never changed : we do lack power to front runners and we'll do our best to catch up.

[IvailoStefanovBG]

Meantime, I’ll bet Mr. Newey is busy figuring out how to incorporate a little bit of Citroen DS type suspension onto the front of Max’s car!

So..Again you are right on the track ahead of us...Can you explain a little bit more what you have in mind with this Citroen DS suspension and Newey ?

[makecry]

Next year's regulations are basically same as 2019. No point in ditching this car for next year's when everything will get carried over unless you are ditching the current concept for a new one.

[Singabule]

Next year's regulations are basically same as 2019. No point in ditching this car for next year's when everything will get carried over unless you are ditching the current concept for a new one.

Unless you need to change structurally like MCL, you dont have to wait until next year, however i think something really going wrong for the back end of RB 15, and it's related to overall airflow from front wing. Thats massive exercise for RBR.

[j.yank]

Same goes to the PU side. How can you beat for 60 seconds a car who was only 0.02 on quali, and being more or less equal to Ferrari on race pace?? It's clear than the engine is delivering on sundays, it's reliable, it have fuel efficiency and can sustain enough power during all race to keep that pace. You're dreaming if 1 second per lap difference with Mclaren and Renault it's only chasis related. When they clearly have problems with the rear end,traction and tires...

its a bit strange you guys trying hard to deny the words of the technical director of Honda racing f1 team (which is my reference and source) regardless this idiot with the 60 hp claim (impossible in race trim), but indeed Honda do lack power to Ferrari
and last i checked Fiat revenue is lesser than Honda revenue .. its the Honda admin call to limit the resources to develop their PU and they deserve the rant.
since day one in 2015 and Honda statements never changed : we do lack power to front runners and we'll do our best to catch up.

These engines are more about efficiency rather than power. It is almost certainly that Honda does not have the same power like Mercedes or Ferrari. I am saying "almost" because we cannot know for sure until the instability of the chassis is fixed and they run with normal downforce like the others. Also, the speed of Toro Rosso on straights is suspicious. So, I think that we have to drop this rant about less powerful engine and see what actually happens on the track. One way or another Red Bull with not perfect chassis have the same pace like Ferrari, and I don't think that speaks about weak PU.

[f1rules]

Torro rosso did run less rw then others hence the good speed traps, tr normally does that

[gibells]

But they bring updates every race. I see a relentless pursuit of downforce&efficiency.

I don’t buy this 2020 story. 8 races in, you must improve now to be better next year.

Exactly Sieper. Developing next year's car is not how Newey works. He never moves on until the problems are totally addressed. My guess is they're doing a POU of their own and going to sort out their problems in a big hit. This will coincide with a newer spec motor and then they'll finish off the season strongly like last year.

[Wouter]

The RB15 has little mechanical grip. This will / can not be improved because that is a lot of work to get it right.
Now Newey has to try to provide the car with more downforce. IF they succeed, they need more power from Honda for the long straights and the fast turns. The main cause is therefore insufficient mechanical grip, which was always very good on the cars, there strong point.

[Marti_EF3]

Race pace



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[Singabule]

Race pace

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Wow, i could not believe Gasly pace, dunno whether his car setup is really wrong or he is not confident in the car at all.