2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[etusch]

I think tbis condition is also a Challenge. It is just a metter of time. Double deck diffuser time he could not solve it inseason. This maybe like that. We need to enjoy development of both side and expect to see them campion end of next season.

[XRayF1]

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Mixing rule changes with Newey's genius should actually provide them with many golden opportunities to actually be better then the others, shouldn't it?

Except Newey isn’t a constant in recent years. He took a step back and only came back when the car wasn’t performing. Supposedly he lost interest again and only came back because of the Honda engine providing him new challenges.

Both you and reileigh talk about Newey having lost interest again.
Who said that, and where is this coming from?

RB was always emphasizing that they could outperform any other team when it comes to aero.
This is not the case anymore, isn't it?
So again, why not change the design schedule to put more weight to the start if the season?

[DutchDopey]

Besides the new rules, RB also needed to implement a different PU. So a lot of time and resources have gone to this transition. While Fer and Merc only had to focus on the new front wing and tires. So it shouldn’t be surprising that they are behind in that area.

[_cerber1]

They had a year because TR already did it. In addition, Horner and Marko said that the engine fit perfectly into the chassis.

[Stef]

The fit is just the beginning.

[DutchDopey]

They had a year because TR already did it. In addition, Horner and Marko said that the engine fit perfectly into the chassis.

I don’t think it is that simple.

[Espresso]

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Mixing rule changes with Newey's genius should actually provide them with many golden opportunities to actually be better then the others, shouldn't it?

Except Newey isn’t a constant in recent years. He took a step back and only came back when the car wasn’t performing. Supposedly he lost interest again and only came back because of the Honda engine providing him new challenges.

I look at it differently. Newey is not only involved, he has also has become 'partly' responsible.

It shows RB's Achilles Heel. Without Newey the design department cant produce a competitive chassis.
It's good but not great.
As this is a transitional year, you might as well test your design department.
They just need to improve on the weak spots exposed.

Newey's constance factor is: Intervention management. Fixing and/or improving a design.
In his new role Newey doesn't want/need to be 24/7 involved in F1. But he needs to 'train' his RB F1 design department up to and above standards.

[Wouter]

TOYOHARU TANABE
TECHNICAL DIRECTOR, HONDA RACING F1

This is a big weekend for both our teams, at the home of Red Bull. It’s another reason to want to do well here. Located in scenic countryside, at 4.3 kilometres it is a relatively short track, but it still presents plenty of interesting challenges for drivers and engineers. It has many uphill and downhill sections and with its altitude of 700 metres above sea level, we need to keep our eye on the affect this has on the turbine and also on cooling. Having given our Spec 3 PU its debut a few days ago without any issues in France, we have acquired plenty of data from it. This week all four of our drivers, including Alex, will have the latest specification PU which means he has to take grid penalties. Once again, very hot conditions are forecast for this weekend too, so we must keep that factor in mind during our preparation and refer to data we have acquired in France.

https://en.hondaracingf1.com/races/2019 ... ?tab=setup

[etusch]

They had a year because TR already did it. In addition, Horner and Marko said that the engine fit perfectly into the chassis.

Some are talking about 9 cm wheelbase and affects of this on aero performance. So different pu with different layout, cog make it big difference. Honda pu location is different from Renault (if I don't think wrong Honda pu must be closer to rear than Renault) and only this can cause of need of redo everything on the car base

[Bill]

Redbull qualified 0.5 behind Mercedes in china in France they were 1 second behind.its pretty obvious the chassis is failing behind the midfielders a closing in. A solution needs to be found and quick

[_cerber1]

Some are talking about 9 cm wheelbase and affects of this on aero performance. So different pu with different layout, cog make it big difference. Honda pu location is different from Renault (if I don't think wrong Honda pu must be closer to rear than Renault) and only this can cause of need of redo everything on the car base

The RB15 was built with this in mind because they had a year of working with STR13.

[rogazilla]

Some are talking about 9 cm wheelbase and affects of this on aero performance. So different pu with different layout, cog make it big difference. Honda pu location is different from Renault (if I don't think wrong Honda pu must be closer to rear than Renault) and only this can cause of need of redo everything on the car base

The RB15 was built with this in mind because they had a year of working with STR13.

I think the tires threw the monkey wrench in and Merc just got it right while everyone struggled. So far everyone seem to got better as season goes on while RBR hasn't really got the back end under control other than as stated by Max to bolt on more RW than they wanted to.

[rogazilla]

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Both you and reileigh talk about Newey having lost interest again.
Who said that, and where is this coming from?

RB was always emphasizing that they could outperform any other team when it comes to aero.
This is not the case anymore, isn't it?
So again, why not change the design schedule to put more weight to the start if the season?

I don't have any more inside information but I believe Newey went to work on the Valkyrie project and RB was no where. They brought him back 3 or 4 races in after the season started to fix it.

Again last year I believe he was splitting time working on another series that his son is racing in. I think it was Marko who said knowing that Honda engine integration present a renewed interest in Newey working on the F1 car and he became involve in this years car. Although a recent article shows that he is still spliting time working on hyper car with AM.

I don't know if any of these has an impact on the car's performance but just stating what was talked about in articles that I read.

[etusch]

Some are talking about 9 cm wheelbase and affects of this on aero performance. So different pu with different layout, cog make it big difference. Honda pu location is different from Renault (if I don't think wrong Honda pu must be closer to rear than Renault) and only this can cause of need of redo everything on the car base

The RB15 was built with this in mind because they had a year of working with STR13.

Redbull lived two change in the same time. New rules and new engine. They got konwlege from STR but it is not same as having it in the car.

[McMika98]

Redbull qualified 0.5 behind Mercedes in china in France they were 1 second behind.its pretty obvious the chassis is failing behind the midfielders a closing in. A solution needs to be found and quick

https://www.racefans.net/2019/06/26/ver ... gger-step/

You could see the Renault over one lap they have a quite powerful ‘quali mode’ or whatever they use in lap one,” he added. “Afterwards they have to back it out, of course, and then you can see they are not a threat any more. But over one lap we can definitely improve a bit more

Didn't take long. So do people still want to close their ears and eyes or accept the irrefutable fact regarding the engine.

Even of Max qualifies ahead of Renault ppwered cars he will be vulnerable on lap 1 purely due to the power they have in hand even with the older spec Renault.