2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

[Restomaniac]

What does other driver's (in this case Vettel) behaviour have anything to do with the current problem? Such posts are only aimed to provoke.

Strange, after Canada there was lots of using other drivers' (or rather one driver, mostly) actions in previous situations to argue about the then current problem.

Goose, sauce, gander.

Other driver’s responses or other driver’s incidents? Different stuff.

Hamilton Vs Ricciardo at Monaco ‘16 says ‘Hi’.

[zibby43]

The usual picture.
https://f1ingenerale.com/wp-content/upl ... IA19_Q.jpg

thanks, it is isn't it, minimum speed vs maximum, the whole lap. Then tomorrow it's race modes, fuel, tyres, cooling, and now hopefully Lewis not stuck behind Lando

Lewis starts P4 now.

[MtthsMlw]

What about Ferrari engine ERS deployment in this very short lap?

It looks like Ferrari gets better ERS deployment near the end of the lap given that the gap in speed seems to be bigger there. Especially on the run to turn 9.

[LM10]

Strange, after Canada there was lots of using other drivers' (or rather one driver, mostly) actions in previous situations to argue about the then current problem.

Goose, sauce, gander.

Other driver’s responses or other driver’s incidents? Different stuff.

Hamilton Vs Ricciardo at Monaco ‘16 says ‘Hi’.

You seem to have not understood my post.

[Restomaniac]

Other driver’s responses or other driver’s incidents? Different stuff.

Hamilton Vs Ricciardo at Monaco ‘16 says ‘Hi’.

You seem to have not understood my post.

No I understood it including the rank hypocrisy in it.

Infact F1 rules themselves are based on previous events. That’s were the rules come from.

[drunkf1fan]

How come so many fans missing the influence of the tyres?

Ferrari, RBR, Alfa and HAAS are not suddenly very fast. Rather the high temp, allows them to get tyres into correct temperature.

Mercedes, and Renault are not suddenly very slow. Rather the high temp caused these cars to overheat the tyres and loose grip.

Seemds the most logical explanation? Perhaps 2019 tyre is impossible to get into correct window on all tracks with one car design.

One wonders the excitement 2018 tyre switch could have brought.. Pity.

For Haas, maybe, but Ferrari were faster on the straights in France, in Canada, in Monaco, in Barcelona, in China, Bahrain and Australia.....

Ferrari got pole in Bahrain, Canada and now Austria, tracks that are less about the corners and more about the straights. No Ferrari didn't just suddenly get the tires in the window, that really hasn't been their big issue anywhere in general, it's been that they have a rocket that is less good in corners and Merc have a great cornering car that is less fast on the straights.

Renault may well be the victim of things other than just tires, though that could also be it. They could for instance be one of the teams with the DRS oblong rear flap attachment that dropped drag on straights and maybe that has been removed as while they were really strong in Canada, less strong in France they are unexpectedly not fast again here.

Yes, every team will have tracks the tires aren't working great but overall I think Ferrari's main issue was just having weaker aero in corners and losing more time in corners than gaining on straights. Barca/Australia/Monaco may have been not great tires but I think it's more about cars.

AS for 2018 tires, considering the races are everyone crawling along to prevent tire overheating and even at the power tracks Mercedes have had what I would say is better race pace probably due to best tire cooling/control in races, then I can only imagine that Mercedes would dominate everywhere with 2018 tires and that most teams would just blister or go even slower for the rest of the season.

2017 tires didn't degrade, but they didn't blister or grain much either and everyone could push without overheating. Baffles me that people seem to think 2018 tires which overheat worse are the answer and no one is calling for the 2017 tires that let everyone push much much harder.

[FittingMechanics]

That should make for a fun race, Hamilton needs to go through Bottas, Verstappen and Leclerc for the win. I wouldn't be surprised to see T1 crash between Verstappen and Leclerc.

I don't see how Lewis can get past Valtteri, or how anyone else can challenge Charles, so it's a bit of a death knell for the front of the race really

Lewis can put in a stellar lap when going to the pits to jump over Bottas, and Charles starts on soft tires so he will pit earlier than Mercedes and will run longer on the hards, again allowing Mercedes to put the pressure on him.

[Tzk]

Why did Norris drop down?

Because the FIA changed a rule for 2019. Now penalties are applied starting from the best qualifier. This means HAMs penalty is applied first and MAGs afterwards, because HAM qualified 2nd and MAG 5th. This slots Hamilton in front of Norris, because Ham drops from 2nd to 5th (in front of MAG) and then MAG drops to 10th, leaving Norris directly behind HAM.

This change was made to avoid cars parking at the pitlane exit in FP1, because the old rule was: the first car on track got the penalty applied first. None probably thought about the possibility that two drivers get their penalty applied in such a way like today.

To me the far more sensible method would be to apply penalties in order of notification of the FIA or in order of infrigements. Oldest note/infrigement gets the penalty first. So at the start of the weekend teams would notify the FIA of swapped parts and the date/time of notification will set the order of penalty application. If there are two infrigements, the older one gets applied first. Thus in this case the MAG penalty (because it was known before Q) and then HAMs (because it happend in Q).

[Big Tea]

Why did Norris drop down?

Because the FIA changed a rule for 2019. Now penalties are applied starting from the best qualifier. This means HAMs penalty is applied first and MAGs afterwards, because HAM qualified 2nd and MAG 5th. This slots Hamilton in front of Norris, because Ham drops from 2nd to 5th (in front of MAG) and then MAG drops to 10th, leaving Norris directly behind HAM.

This change was made to avoid cars parking at the pitlane exit in FP1, because the old rule was: the first car on track got the penalty applied first. None probably thought about the possibility that two drivers get their penalty applied in such a way like today.

To me the far more sensible method would be to apply penalties in order of notification of the FIA or in order of infrigements. Oldest note/infrigement gets the penalty first. So at the start of the weekend teams would notify the FIA of swapped parts and the date/time of notification will set the order of penalty application. If there are two infrigements, the older one gets applied first. Thus in this case the MAG penalty (because it was known before Q) and then HAMs (because it happend in Q).

They would then have complaints about 'being looked at after the session v 'instant Kama' '

[Tzk]

They would then have complaints about 'being looked at after the session v 'instant Kama' '

I'd deal with it on a first come, first serve basis. So not the time the penalty is decided on or announced matters, but the moment when the offense happened. So the first offence gets the penalty applied first.

Or have i misunderstood you?

[Juzh]

ham vs ver
https://streamable.com/664fq

[i70q7m7ghw]

Can anyone send the final starting grid, and a list of the penalties applied? I've completey lost track. Maybe they should just re-run qualifying in the morning?

[Morteza]

[izzy]

Lewis starts P4 now.

yes exactly!!! weird but there he is, in front of Lando, thanks to FIA magic

[Tzk]

Can anyone send the final starting grid, and a list of the penalties applied? I've completey lost track. Maybe they should just re-run qualifying in the morning?

P1 LEC
P2 VES
P3 BOT
P4 HAM
P5 NOR