2019 [R09] Austrian Grand Prix, Spielberg, 28-30 June

[zibby43]

So Merc ending some 20 sec. behind Max means they lost some 3 tenths per lap (nonetheless, just crippled today they managed to get a podium!) ...

Now taking into account they lose some 5 tenths with the compromised cooling, some 1-2 tenths for lift and coasting and maybe another 2 tenths for running a weaker PU race mode, my question is what would have been their race pace without those handicaps today?

Yep, they were complete non-factors today with that opened up bodywork and the turned-down PUs.

The heat and altitude have been Merc’s kryptonite since Mexico ‘18.

[Sevach]

I think F1 finds itself in a treacherous spot.

If this was for fifth it would've been a penalty, this is an easier call than Vettel-Hamilton Canada, a lot easier.
But given the backlash of "changing the winner" and the cries of "let them race" they don't wan't to do it.

On the other hand if they let this obvious one slide...

[DutchDopey]

Almost everyone, except those blinded by Max Verstappen love.

Oh come on, a round further Leclerc would have been given blue flags.

You seem to be overlooking the fact that after the move looked to be complete in the first attempt for Max, Leclerc did a great job hanging round the outside, getting a better drive off the corner and retained the lead. What makes you think the same wouldn't have happened if Leclerc wasn't thrown off the track with a hit ? Yes Max was clearly faster, but that doesn't merit a win on its own.

Racecraft is an art. And you have to be a good artist to make it clean.

I don't understand this and I think it just comes from fanboyism for other drivers. Max was faster, look at the overtake on Bottas. If you don't want these kind of situations then Leclerc should have just behaved like Bottas. If don't like those overtakes like on Bottas than these situations will happen. You can't have both.

And as I showed earlier in this thread, look at China 2019 when Vettel pushed Max outside the track. No penalty and no whining from Max.

[foxmulder_ms]

Hamilton would be the winner without that Raikonen block... alas, next race.

[gastonmazzacane]

Hamilton would be the winner without that Raikonen block... alas, next race.

Was he even in the race?

[GPR-A]

I think F1 finds itself in a treacherous spot.

If this was for fifth it would've been a penalty, this is an easier call than Vettel-Hamilton Canada, a lot easier.
But given the backlash of "changing the winner" and the cries of "let them race" they don't wan't to do it.

On the other hand if they let this obvious one slide...

Not having consistently dishing out the penalties, is what made all the fuss about Canada incident in the first place. So, if the stewards buckle under pressure and don't do it, it's guaranteed to blow out next time when they do it.

[Shrieker]

Hamilton would be the winner without that Raikonen block... alas, next race.

With the overheating problems, he would've stood no chance against Charles or Max.

[NathanOlder]

Hamilton would be the winner without that Raikonen block... alas, next race.

Was he even in the race?

Yeah Kimi didnt do too bad. Had some good battles with Norris and Gasly

[Sevach]

Hamilton would be the winner without that Raikonen block... alas, next race.

Or if didn't think the sausages were there to be ran over.

[zibby43]

On a side note, the 2019 specification of tires allowed pushing until the last laps from the race leaders. In the searing heat.

Think Horner and Mattia still want the 2018 spec?

[damager21]

This video gives a glimpse of the incident.

For those sharing Rosberg Vs Max video, please check that video again. When Rosberg was turning in he was almost on the white line which means Max had no where to go. That is much different to what we say today. Max was turning in and Leclerc was running out of road after turning in so he should have clearly backed off

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1145354715061993472

[matt_b]

Hamilton would be the winner without that Raikonen block... alas, next race.

Not with that front wing damage, he would've finished third. Still he leads Bottas by 31 points and Seb 74 points by despite a grid penalty, cooling issues and front wing change, very good damage limitation today

[GPR-A]

On a side note, the 2019 specification of tires allowed pushing until the last laps from the race leaders. In the searing heat.

Think Horner and Mattia still want the 2018 spec?

Can anyone imagine the blisters on 2018 spec tyres in such heat? Of course Horner would have been happy to have those tyres here.

[LM10]

So Merc ending some 20 sec. behind Max means they lost some 3 tenths per lap (nonetheless, just crippled today they managed to get a podium!) ...

Now taking into account they lose some 5 tenths with the compromised cooling, some 1-2 tenths for lift and coasting and maybe another 2 tenths for running a weaker PU race mode, my question is what would have been their race pace without those handicaps today?

I’m interested where you get those tenths from?
I think other teams were doing lift and coast and driving their PU in weaker modes as well.

[TAG]

No further action. Unlike Rosberg, Max was making an attempt to turn and you could argue that Leclerc went deep into the braking zone to keep Max out of it and consequently went wide along with Max.