2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[NL_Fer]

This is a very confident victory. Red Bull never won on such a track without problems from competitors, in the past, Red Bull Renault was constantly helped by safety car, rain, accidents and other circumstances. Red Bull begins to fulfill its promises and compensate for 20-30 hp, now it's Honda's turn.

The Honda unit did not run perfectly, with some clipping issues and exhaust sensor issue, but thankfully it was just enough to get the Austrian victory for RBR.

Will RBR be looking to swap Gasly to Toro Rosso?

Still impressive seeing Verstappen press the fail code on the steering wheel and already overtaking Bottas immediately after.

[DiogoBrand]

As Brundle said. Max had the inside line, got ahead and therefore has the right to the corner, Leclerc did not concede at the correct time and put himself in that position. If he gets a penalty, all passes are snooze DRS ones.

Max was VASTLY quicker. There shouldn't be any penalty. It was a basic racing movement. Watch the onboard. No nasty stuff at all.

Exactly! He had the INSIDE line, that doesn't give you the right to go on the outside and push the other car off track. If Max had to got by with a dirty move even though he was vastly quicker, that's entirely his mistake. Being faster doesn't give you the right to overtake however you want.

You're reading this as a furious Ferrari fan..

Once you've passed ahead, you have the right to the racing line, the driver who was passed has to at some point concede the corner, just like every other overtaking manoeuvre that happened in this race. You, as the driver being overtaken, cannot continue off line and cry foul you ran out of road trying to recover your mistake(1).
Fact is, Leclerc left the door open and tried to recover poorly. Max left plenty of room for him to rejoin, he didn't force him off(2), the onboards show no left lock inputs at all(3). Even Mattia Binotto said he agrees it doesn't deserve a penalty but is banking on the stewards interpreting it as causing a collision and Vettel said the stewards should leave the drivers alone, this is racing. That says it all to me.

HUGE CONGRATULATIONS to RBR and of course to Honda. Both had a flawless race today and deserved the win. Incredible job by Max as well! Insane prowess out on the track today.

I'm not even a Ferrari fan, I'm a McLaren fan and I hope Mercedes beats Ferrari every year. The fact that you think I must be biased to have this opinion tells more about you than it does about me.
And no, just because you're getting overtaken, doesn't mean you should just stand on the brakes and let the other drive go. Max has shown exactly what I'm saying a lap before. He went on the inside, but left enough room for Charles on the outside to defend his position.
1 Charles didn't go off track because of his own mistake, he did so because of Max's mistake.
2 Leaving room to rejoin is not good enough, he must leave a car's width at all times. And yes, he did force Charles off, you're delusional if you think he didn't.
3 So what if he didn't turn left? The problem is that he didn't turn right as much as he should, that's why he went on the outside kerb, banged wheels and forced Charles off track.

So you use completely flawed arguments to defend your point, and still you think I'm the one that's biased...

[cesaremonti]

Love Honda!

[GhostF1]

Exactly! He had the INSIDE line, that doesn't give you the right to go on the outside and push the other car off track. If Max had to got by with a dirty move even though he was vastly quicker, that's entirely his mistake. Being faster doesn't give you the right to overtake however you want.

You're reading this as a furious Ferrari fan..

Once you've passed ahead, you have the right to the racing line, the driver who was passed has to at some point concede the corner, just like every other overtaking manoeuvre that happened in this race. You, as the driver being overtaken, cannot continue off line and cry foul you ran out of road trying to recover your mistake(1).
Fact is, Leclerc left the door open and tried to recover poorly. Max left plenty of room for him to rejoin, he didn't force him off(2), the onboards show no left lock inputs at all(3). Even Mattia Binotto said he agrees it doesn't deserve a penalty but is banking on the stewards interpreting it as causing a collision and Vettel said the stewards should leave the drivers alone, this is racing. That says it all to me.

HUGE CONGRATULATIONS to RBR and of course to Honda. Both had a flawless race today and deserved the win. Incredible job by Max as well! Insane prowess out on the track today.

I'm not even a Ferrari fan, I'm a McLaren fan and I hope Mercedes beats Ferrari every year. The fact that you think I must be biased to have this opinion tells more about you than it does about me.
And no, just because you're getting overtaken, doesn't mean you should just stand on the brakes and let the other drive go. Max has shown exactly what I'm saying a lap before. He went on the inside, but left enough room for Charles on the outside to defend his position.
1 Charles didn't go off track because of his own mistake, he did so because of Max's mistake.
2 Leaving room to rejoin is not good enough, he must leave a car's width at all times. And yes, he did force Charles off, you're delusional if you think he didn't.
3 So what if he didn't turn left? The problem is that he didn't turn right as much as he should, that's why he went on the outside kerb, banged wheels and forced Charles off track.

So you use completely flawed arguments to defend your point, and still you think I'm the one that's biased...

So your whole argument is based on "max didn't turn enough to appease me". That is the most incredible thing I've ever heard. I'm sure it was as easy as that. It's not about going Ng off track from a mistake, it's the fact he was passed on the racing line during the corner, Leclerc was off line and ran out of road as the overtaken continued ahead on the racing line. That is the definition of racing. Verstappen is at no greater fault than Leclerc.
And no getting overtaken doesn't mean slam on the brakes, who said that? But you do concede the corner in a situation like that. He didn't, he turned into Max and then said nah he forced me off. That's just as viable an argument as the nonsense you're saying. And yes, I assume you're a biased, upset fan because you chose now to dive into this topic but I've never seen you post previously. Good timing.

If this is a penalty you may as well ban all overtaking unless it's under DRS on a straight.

Anyway, I'll repeat. Binotto and vettel personally agree it is racing and not a penalty, but Binotto is hoping the stewards read it as causing a collision. I think that carries the most weight.

[flexcon]

As Brundle said. Max had the inside line, got ahead and therefore has the right to the corner, Leclerc did not concede at the correct time and put himself in that position. If he gets a penalty, all passes are snooze DRS ones.

Max was VASTLY quicker. There shouldn't be any penalty. It was a basic racing movement. Watch the onboard. No nasty stuff at all.

Exactly! He had the INSIDE line, that doesn't give you the right to go on the outside and push the other car off track. If Max had to got by with a dirty move even though he was vastly quicker, that's entirely his mistake. Being faster doesn't give you the right to overtake however you want.

You're reading this as a furious Ferrari fan..

Once you've passed ahead, you have the right to the racing line, the driver who was passed has to at some point concede the corner, just like every other overtaking manoeuvre that happened in this race. You, as the driver being overtaken, cannot continue off line and cry foul you ran out of road trying to recover your mistake.

Cant agree here. This corner gave some amazing racing this afternoon due to the fact the corner has 2 main entry points. A wide turn in and early turn in. Wide giving a better run out down the hill.

Max pushed Leclerc off the higher racing line. He DID'NT do it the previous lap and what an amazing heart pumping lap that was.

I LOVE the Honda partnership. However, disgusted again that Max couldn't do it clean.

[GhostF1]

Exactly! He had the INSIDE line, that doesn't give you the right to go on the outside and push the other car off track. If Max had to got by with a dirty move even though he was vastly quicker, that's entirely his mistake. Being faster doesn't give you the right to overtake however you want.

You're reading this as a furious Ferrari fan..

Once you've passed ahead, you have the right to the racing line, the driver who was passed has to at some point concede the corner, just like every other overtaking manoeuvre that happened in this race. You, as the driver being overtaken, cannot continue off line and cry foul you ran out of road trying to recover your mistake.

Cant agree here. This corner gave some amazing racing this afternoon due to the fact the corner has 2 main entry points. A wide turn in and early turn in. Wide giving a better run out down the hill.

Max pushed Leclerc off the higher racing line. He DID'NT do it the previous lap and what an amazing heart pumping lap that was.

I LOVE the Honda partnership. However, disgusted again that Max couldn't do it clean.

There will always be several opinions on this. No doubt it will never be completely agreed on.

[nzjrs]

You're reading this as a furious Ferrari fan..

Once you've passed ahead, you have the right to the racing line, the driver who was passed has to at some point concede the corner, just like every other overtaking manoeuvre that happened in this race. You, as the driver being overtaken, cannot continue off line and cry foul you ran out of road trying to recover your mistake.

Cant agree here. This corner gave some amazing racing this afternoon due to the fact the corner has 2 main entry points. A wide turn in and early turn in. Wide giving a better run out down the hill.

Max pushed Leclerc off the higher racing line. He DID'NT do it the previous lap and what an amazing heart pumping lap that was.

I LOVE the Honda partnership. However, disgusted again that Max couldn't do it clean.

There will always be several opinions on this. No doubt it will never be completely agreed on.

I think the only thing we can all agree on is that these sorts of messages (arguments) belong on the race thread!

@mods: please delete the last page

[Karim28]

I think that was a race to remember forever for every RBR fan. The amazing thing that make this victory is very special in hybrid era (even more than Malaysia 2017) that it represents a comeback from 7th to 1st .
Congrats for Max & the team.
Thanks to the strategists for giving this magical 10-laps-advantage for a driver who did his best.
And for whom saying the move deserves a penalty, you completely deserve the boring races and Mercedes' dominance for years. Then you shouldn't cry for the change of tires and for the excitement of the championship .

[Sieper]

This was worth it! Nevermind possible penalty, nevermind if they need new engine for next race, boy this was worth it!!! Congrats to whole AMRBRH and Max!!! Good signe for the future.

Nice one! Yes, fully agree

[sn809]

I think the third DRS worked wonders as well.
Great result
#PoweredbyHonda

[turbof1]

Guys, the incident between Leclerc and Verstappens belongs in the race thread. Let's not get it spilled over in the team thread.

[sn809]

I think that was a race to remember forever for every RBR fan. The amazing thing that make this victory is very special in hybrid era (even more than Malaysia 2017) that it represents a comeback from 7th to 1st .
Congrats for Max & the team.
Thanks to the strategists for giving this magical 10-laps-advantage for a driver who did his best.
And for whom saying the move deserves a penalty, you completely deserve the boring races and Mercedes' dominance for years. Then you shouldn't cry for the change of tires and for the excitement of the championship .

If anything its RBH not RBR any more mate. #PoweredbyHonda!!!!!!!
If anything

[Big Tea]

This was worth it! Nevermind possible penalty, nevermind if they need new engine for next race, boy this was worth it!!! Congrats to whole AMRBRH and Max!!! Good signe for the future.

Yeh, win 2 out of 4 races then start from the back for one. They will still not get caught for 3rd place and the sheet will look far better. Honda could probably do with the encouragement too.

[Karim28]

If anything its RBH not RBR any more mate. #PoweredbyHonda!!!!!!!
If anything

I meant RedBullRacing not RedBullRenault
Sorry if there is misunderstanding

[yener]

I think we saw Pierre for the last time in the RB15, now he can watch the last season of Game of Thrones