2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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FittingMechanics wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 15:53
diffuser wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 14:45
They took the PU to avoid taking the penalty at Silverstone, that doesn't mean they actually used it.
About that, how would that work. If they allowed you to take the penalty, and then not run the engine, couldn't you just take 5 penalties in one race, you get like +50 grid slot penalties but drop to 20th spot in any way. Then you use the remaining engines without penalty.

I doubt this is possible, so either you must use the engine you took or there is a different rule that makes these kind of shenanigans impossible.
That used to be the case 2 or 3 seasons ago. They closed that loophole. Only the last element used can be carried forward. The remainder count toward the penalty but cannot be added to the pool.
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Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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I know we have already got a link for all of Carlos’ overtakes, but thought this one was actually pretty cool (love the “Arcade” music in the background)

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/arti ... tKlII.html


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FittingMechanics wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 15:53
diffuser wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 14:45
They took the PU to avoid taking the penalty at Silverstone, that doesn't mean they actually used it.
About that, how would that work. If they allowed you to take the penalty, and then not run the engine, couldn't you just take 5 penalties in one race, you get like +50 grid slot penalties but drop to 20th spot in any way. Then you use the remaining engines without penalty.

I doubt this is possible, so either you must use the engine you took or there is a different rule that makes these kind of shenanigans impossible.
In the McLaren Honda years they actually did take 2 or 3 PU 1 weekend and all the penalties that went with it. They later blocked that loop hole. You're nolonger allowed to take more than 1 PU. You can still take it an not use it. Once you've taken that PU the spec is frozen with that PU(can't upgrade Physical parts). Some of the drivers (with Renault PUs) still have 3 PUs. 1 probably has so much mileage on it that it will likely just get used for FP1 and FP2. The other 2 can be used for Races.

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Ground Effect wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 15:46
Pat Fry leaving McLaren.... again.. :shock:

I wish it could have been avoided, Fry is quality and a real McLaren man.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00530
I mentioned it last year that the title they gave him was the same title Ferrari had switched him too in his last year there. Basically a transitional position.

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Well, James Key is responsible for next years cars. It's hard to have two captains on one ship. According to GPToday they tried to give him another position, but no agreement was reached. He probably has his eyes on another team and McLaren was a good way of getting back in F1 again.

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I’m a bit surprised they can’t make it work with Fry on board. McLaren at a certain time had Goss, Prodromou, Fry, Lowe and Newey (It’s actually mind boggling) all together and kicked on. It was kind of like the Beatles, where everybody was a drummer, bassist, guitarist, singer and song writer.
Q: (Stefano Mancini – La Stampa) Kimi, will you help Vettel to win his championship this year?
Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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FittingMechanics wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 15:53
diffuser wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 14:45
They took the PU to avoid taking the penalty at Silverstone, that doesn't mean they actually used it.
About that, how would that work. If they allowed you to take the penalty, and then not run the engine, couldn't you just take 5 penalties in one race, you get like +50 grid slot penalties but drop to 20th spot in any way. Then you use the remaining engines without penalty.

I doubt this is possible, so either you must use the engine you took or there is a different rule that makes these kind of shenanigans impossible.
that was done a lot until a couple of years ago when they changed the rules. now im not sure what the limit is, since it was mentioned that honda brought 2 new PUs for TR with only one penalty.

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Ground Effect wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 15:46
Pat Fry leaving McLaren.... again.. :shock:

I wish it could have been avoided, Fry is quality and a real McLaren man.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00530
Pat Fry was kinda having a very long sabbat or semi-retirement. Guess as McLaren man he agreed to return as interim to fill in the gap untill James Key arrived from gardening leave.

He's going back to his sabbat , but I'm sure other teams will try to lure him as he might have got the taste back for F1 with this interim job at McLaren.

With the MCL34 Pat surely left his signature behind in an impressive manner. Up to key to pick up the gloves keeping up this uprising.
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Ground Effect wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 20:28
I’m a bit surprised they can’t make it work with Fry on board. McLaren at a certain time had Goss, Prodromou, Fry, Lowe and Newey (It’s actually mind boggling) all together and kicked on. It was kind of like the Beatles, where everybody was a drummer, bassist, guitarist, singer and song writer.
Well, according to GPToday they offered him another job within McLaren, but they couldn't reach an agreement. I wonder how much designing these guys actually do, seems like they are mostly there to lead the design team and create a development plan.

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Unless he’s already got an offer elsewhere it wouldn’t surprise me if we continue to see Pat Fry being used as a consultant to McLaren in the way that Patrick Head is by Williams. He’s obviously very well thought of by the management and within the team (and rightly so) and seems to have a clear handle on the new direction the team is looking to go.

Alternatively, wild theory time, could we see him heading up an Indy 500 push for 2020? Zak Brown has pretty much confirmed they’ll give it another go and Bob Bell didn’t cover himself in glory with this years effort.

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Ground Effect wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 20:28
I’m a bit surprised they can’t make it work with Fry on board. McLaren at a certain time had Goss, Prodromou, Fry, Lowe and Newey (It’s actually mind boggling) all together and kicked on. It was kind of like the Beatles, where everybody was a drummer, bassist, guitarist, singer and song writer.
That did NOT work great at all. Most cars were hit & miss really like the MP4-17, MP4-19 & MP4-21. Especially the 19 where Newey & Prodromou insisted that they solve the aero problems plaguing the car while Lowe etc argued that mechanical improvements would suffice, vetoing his designs thanks to Whitmarsh's Matrix system. We all know how that turned out. The car was an absolute dog, taking the team from almost winning the championship by 2 points in 2003 to dead last. Needless to say, when the aero solutions were introduced in Spa the car won that very weekend, with a bit of fortuitous assistance obviously. It would continue to be a front runner from that point onward.
Even after Newey left the team remained under familiar haze. Too many cooks! Every year marked by novel concepts such as the MP4-26's sidepods, their departure in 2012 and then a camel mimicking concepts around the grid in 2013. Heck, even the Mcl33 seemed like a product of internal dispute, exaggerated COG & chassis philosophies blotched with agricultural aero concepts.
Their was no leadership and it could not be more obvious.
It goes without say though, such isn't the case in 2019. Pat Fry probably was just a stopgap till Key's arrival who seems to have a penchant for engineering responsibilities. I think this arrangement would dovetail nicely with Peter P's group.

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So within the last 5-6 weeks that’s both Simon Roberts and Pat Fry both leaving the team for whatever reasons. Seems odd that to me considering last years firings and only the hiring of Seidl and Key, yet Zak says he’s happy with the signings and that it’s complete. Surely given the losses I would’ve thought he’d have been still looking for someone else to come in. Could Lowe be rehired? Appreciate his stint at Williams was not great however it seems they had numerous problems before his arrival.

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ScottR267 wrote:
03 Jul 2019, 09:58
So within the last 5-6 weeks that’s both Simon Roberts and Pat Fry both leaving the team for whatever reasons. Seems odd that to me considering last years firings and only the hiring of Seidl and Key, yet Zak says he’s happy with the signings and that it’s complete. Surely given the losses I would’ve thought he’d have been still looking for someone else to come in. Could Lowe be rehired? Appreciate his stint at Williams was not great however it seems they had numerous problems before his arrival.
Maybe Seidl thought it was a case of 'too many chiefs'?
The more people pulling in different directions there are the less are pulling in the same direction.

Better with less and all working to the same end. And I do not mean deliberately disrupting, just feeling 'this' is the way to go.
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Possible Stella will focus more on chassis side with Key... PP on aero...