2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Just_a_fan]

Wet races put less strain on engines as they tend to be run less aggressively.

If they can avoid a new PU this race then they might be able to avoid taking an extra unit during the season.

Taking a penalty and starting from the back at the right track might mean ending up finishing 5th or 6th, while a retirement means a DNF. You still willing to roll the dice ?

Yes. Roll it and try to learn something about the engine.

[HPD]

It does not matter if it rains or snows, if the engine development is not over yet Honda will not bring it.
Come on people, the engines don't develop in a matter of weeks. They last many months between development and reliability tests

[diffuser]

Wet races put less strain on engines as they tend to be run less aggressively.

If they can avoid a new PU this race then they might be able to avoid taking an extra unit during the season.

Taking a penalty and starting from the back at the right track might mean ending up finishing 5th or 6th, while a retirement means a DNF. You still willing to roll the dice ?

Yes. Roll it and try to learn something about the engine.

You could learn that from it failing in FP1 and FP2, when you typically run the older PUs. Also if it dies in race...The likelihood of using the PU in FP has diminished, leading to more KMs on the remaining PUs.

[Datco]

Taking a penalty and starting from the back at the right track might mean ending up finishing 5th or 6th, while a retirement means a DNF. You still willing to roll the dice ?

Yes. Roll it and try to learn something about the engine.

You could learn that from it failing in FP1 and FP2, when you typically run the older PUs. Also if it dies in race...The likelihood of using the PU in FP has diminished, leading to more KMs on the remaining PUs.

My original post was not about taking a new PU for reliability concerns, but taking an update if available and minimize the impact of the grid drop. It's what we have been discussing for a while now, where is the best track to take an update if available. I just think weather conditions should be part of the decision. Agree, disagree?

[Big Tea]

It may sound cynical, but to my mind, where ever Max starts, he is going to finish in the top 8, probably top 6. The difference between new engine or no engine is probably going to be 3-4-5 or 6th place. This is, if he is lucky, and it would be mostly luck 15 points. if he is unlucky, 8 points.
So they are gambling with 7 points.

There are of course the outliers of win 25 points or DNF 0 points. They are there what ever RBR decide to do.

[diffuser]

It may sound cynical, but to my mind, where ever Max starts, he is going to finish in the top 8, probably top 6. The difference between new engine or no engine is probably going to be 3-4-5 or 6th place. This is, if he is lucky, and it would be mostly luck 15 points. if he is unlucky, 8 points.
So they are gambling with 7 points.

There are of course the outliers of win 25 points or DNF 0 points. They are there what ever RBR decide to do.

I would agree. The other question would be "Being 55 points behind 2nd, do they really think they have a chance at 2nd place in Constructors? ". The 7 points means nothing to defending 3ird, whoever will finish 4th doesn't have a chance at catching RBR.

[godlameroso]

2nd in the constructors and driver's championship is still up for grabs. Even the championship is still up for grabs, the car is on the verge of being able to take the fight to Mercedes. Ferrari isn't even in the conversation any more, other than potentially being outqualified by them, but then like the other Ferrari powered cars they're nowhere come race day.

[Pyrone89]

2nd in the constructors and driver's championship is still up for grabs. Even the championship is still up for grabs, the car is on the verge of being able to take the fight to Mercedes. Ferrari isn't even in the conversation any more, other than potentially being outqualified by them, but then like the other Ferrari powered cars they're nowhere come race day.

What are you smoking? Ferrari and RB are close with track depending who is 2nd that weekend. Mercedes is 1988 McLaren levels in front of them and probably next years also seeing how much more design staff and talent they have. And it is only getting worse, just look at the massive upgrades Merc is bringing this weekend.

[Sieper]

Don’t agree. Yes Merc is a powerhouse but RBR is clearly making headway. I hope to see this confirmed again this weekend, despite Merc bringing a chassis update.

[Big Tea]

Don’t agree. Yes Merc is a powerhouse but RBR is clearly making headway. I hope to see this confirmed again this weekend, despite Merc bringing a chassis update.

But they (Red Bull) are over 200 points behind Merc. Even if Merc do not win again all season it is unlikely RBR will catch them. They should forget Merc and fight battles they can win.

Pulling 55 points on Ferrari is quite possible, as is 50 points on Bottas. Catching Merc or Hamilton is not even worth considering.

[NL_Fer]

At only 53% of Hockenheim at full trotthle and those twisty turns in the stadium, Redbull has a very good chance especially if it stays hot.

[McMika98]

At only 53% of Hockenheim at full trotthle and those twisty turns in the stadium, Redbull has a very good chance especially if it stays hot.

Its anyone's race to win as it will be pouring down Sat and rain in Sun.

[godlameroso]

2nd in the constructors and driver's championship is still up for grabs. Even the championship is still up for grabs, the car is on the verge of being able to take the fight to Mercedes. Ferrari isn't even in the conversation any more, other than potentially being outqualified by them, but then like the other Ferrari powered cars they're nowhere come race day.

What are you smoking? Ferrari and RB are close with track depending who is 2nd that weekend. Mercedes is 1988 McLaren levels in front of them and probably next years also seeing how much more design staff and talent they have. And it is only getting worse, just look at the massive upgrades Merc is bringing this weekend.

Remember that upgrades don't always bring massive gains.

[godlameroso]

At only 53% of Hockenheim at full trotthle and those twisty turns in the stadium, Redbull has a very good chance especially if it stays hot.

Its anyone's race to win as it will be pouring down Sat and rain in Sun.

Actually said something with sense.

[diffuser]

2nd in the constructors and driver's championship is still up for grabs. Even the championship is still up for grabs, the car is on the verge of being able to take the fight to Mercedes. Ferrari isn't even in the conversation any more, other than potentially being outqualified by them, but then like the other Ferrari powered cars they're nowhere come race day.

What are you smoking? Ferrari and RB are close with track depending who is 2nd that weekend. Mercedes is 1988 McLaren levels in front of them and probably next years also seeing how much more design staff and talent they have. And it is only getting worse, just look at the massive upgrades Merc is bringing this weekend.

Remember that upgrades don't always bring massive gains.

I think depends on a few things
1- What are Ferrari doing ? Are the slowing down on the upgrades ?
2 -it's a internal question.
- What would it cost to maybe take 2nd, how much $$ do we gain and how best can we spend that money.
- How expensive are the changes that would be required to improve.
- When do we start working on 2021?