2019 German Grand Prix - Hockenheimring, July 26-28

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Ringleheim wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 09:09
This was a Ferrari 1-2 kind of day, until everything went to hell on both cars.

The problems continue to pile up; the current management structure is not right.
That is why I wouldn’t call it luck on Mercedes’ part yesterday.

The Mercedes F1 group as whole is a hugely succesful and efficient machine. Ferrari are far from that as they have dropped the ball on numerous times at pretty much every level this season. If Mercedes were not as good as they are they wouldn’t be there to pick it up. That’s not luck but utter relentlessness.

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Just having a good look at the remaining tyre allocations got me thinking.

If you remember last year here, when there was a sprinkling of rain so the track was damp but not wet enough for intermediates, Hamilton was a couple of seconds per lap faster on fresh UltraSoft versus those who switched to the yellow marked tyre last year.

If we get similar conditions today, would that give a much better outlook for those teams with fresh soft compounds available? Granted, they may not last as long, but could bring a significant grip advantage?

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80 to 90 percent chance of rain between 2pm and 5pm, I doubt they'll need any dry tires, can't wait

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drunkf1fan wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 05:24
Artur Craft wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 01:45
Pyrone89 wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 20:45
Imagine giving Verstappen and Hamilton the same car. Mouth watering stuff every quali and race. :o
what is mouth watering about Verstappen massively beating Hamilton and showing him up? Remember that Hamilton had a hard time with Rosberg who got confortably trounced by webber, who got easily beaten by Vettel, who had a hard time keeping up with Ricciardo, who struggled to match Verstappen.
yelistener wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 01:00
Something about 2019 cars that just doesn't fit Hockenheim. Best 2019 S3 in quali is actually slower than 2018. You'd think with that that much downforce 2019 cars should at least win S3.
and are around 0.5s slower over the whole lap than on 2018. On Austria they struggled to match 2018 too. It's not just Hockenheim. The development on F1 is very poor compared to the one LMP1s used to have when there was competition there, meaning, 5s of improvement from one year to the other.
Wow, just, wow. Let's break that down a little, Webber trounced Rosberg, 7 to 4 points, Webber in his 5th season, 2nd in Williams to Rosberg's rookie season.

Webber who got easily beaten by Vettel, but led him into the final race in 2010. From that point onwards he was treated much more like a no.2 driver and he acted like it. But that season was very close.

As for Hamilton having a rough time against Rosberg... lol, he trashed him completely on every single metric. With equal reliability records it would have been a complete and utter destruction. The only reason Rosberg, who lost probably 95% of on track battles with Hamilton, and got destroyed in the only season he setup for race pace in qualifying like Hamilton does, won a single title was a combination of reliability and lack of competition from other teams.

For Vettel/Webber battle, if Vettel had a bad race or a failure Webber wasn't certain to win because he had a car 30 seconds faster than every other team in most races. If Hamilton has a failure then Rosberg won by default, easily.


Then lastly on the 'lack of development' compared to LMP1. The regulations changed, they aren't the same cars, they did lose speed in certain places and yet their heavy development reduced those losses such that at most tracks they are faster despite the regulations being a fair wedge slower. If they developed last seasons cars they would have been easily faster here again. The tires also changed, though only a little.
I am suprised someone even responded to that post of him. It is obvious flamebait when anyone says Verstappen will demolish Hamilton OR anyone says Hamilton will demolish Verstappen. These 2 drivers are the top 2 of the world at the moment and when in the same car will be extremely close to each other. Probably within hundreds of eachother
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NathanOlder wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 09:09
SmallSoldier wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 04:31
yelistener wrote:
Austria is completely different. High temp and high altitude. And yet Ferrari and RB both managed to beat their 2018 quali laptime. Only Mercedes suffered.

At Hockenheim however, all top 3 teams failed to match 2018 quali, and temp is not that hot.
Need to consider that it rained before qualifying, therefore the track was probably greener than in 2018 which will also have a big effect on lap times



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And 1 less DRS zone.
The distance from the finish line to T1 is so short that the pit straight DRS zone hardly made any difference. I did some rough comparison and that DRS zone is worth about 0.15s at most.

About the rain before quali, not sure if that can make such a huge difference.

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1 less car for Vettel to overtake.

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yelistener wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 10:46
NathanOlder wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 09:09
SmallSoldier wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 04:31


Need to consider that it rained before qualifying, therefore the track was probably greener than in 2018 which will also have a big effect on lap times



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And 1 less DRS zone.
The distance from the finish line to T1 is so short that the pit straight DRS zone hardly made any difference. I did some rough comparison and that DRS zone is worth about 0.15s at most.

About the rain before quali, not sure if that can make such a huge difference.
wasnt there rain last year in fp3 s well? honestly i can't remember, but looking at these laptimes it certainly seems to
https://www.formula1.com/en/results.htm ... ice-3.html

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Restomaniac wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:02
1 less car for Vettel to overtake.
apparently Vettel will start from pit lane

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search wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:39
Restomaniac wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:02
1 less car for Vettel to overtake.
apparently Vettel will start from pit lane
source?

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Xwang wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:45
search wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:39
Restomaniac wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:02
1 less car for Vettel to overtake.
apparently Vettel will start from pit lane
source?
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 7671542784

not confirmed yet though

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It has just started to rain a little
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search wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:46
Xwang wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:45
search wrote:
28 Jul 2019, 11:39

apparently Vettel will start from pit lane
source?
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 7671542784

not confirmed yet though
With high chances of rain, taking the car out of parc ferme and change the setup makes sense.

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https://twitter.com/ajs1507/status/1155 ... 62246?s=21
At first I thought HAM was just inside the limits but this clearly shows he was as much over it as Gasly
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.