2019 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, August 2-4

[iotar__]

- How was Leclerc on Bottas not a penalty ? How about a team fine? Ridiculous swerve.
- It was not even dirty, just nervous, amateurish driving by Ferrari's finest choice. They need two new drivers.
- Is this the same Leclerc that complained about Vertappen overtake? They learn so quickly, too bad about the lack of skills, who needs them at top team anyway.

[zibby43]

A car able to follow closely in dirty air signals a significant downforce advantage, not some driver skill difference.

That's a simplification. The issue is how that car loses downforce when following. Having lots of downforce doesn't help if the car becomes an understeering log when 2 seconds behind another car.

Ultimately, the driver has to deliver the result the car is capable of.

Exactly. Plus, an experienced driver can play with his racing lines in an effort to minimize the dirty air effect where he can (HAM chasing VET in Canada is another great example of HAM utilizing this technique), cool the PU, and cool the brakes.

My primary point was that, if you're in clean air (as Max was), you're automatically given a bit of pace boost/tire life boost by virtue of the aero surfaces being allowed to work as intended.

Yes, similar to Monza 2018, Baku 2019 . . .

Speaking of Monza, that is going to be a fascinating race this year!

[siskue2005]

Also Lerc deserved a penalty. He just hit Bottas with no reason what so ever.

Yup, why is he let off lightly, even in last race he was let off

Rai is rocking it!!

Yup, got to admit..he is rock solid in races

[maxxer]

They could roll the the dice because they were in 2nd place with more then enough time to number 3
Only thing i dont understand if Max had a fresh set of softs why didnt pit him next lap he should have had the speed and skill , i guess Hamilton didnt have softs as they put him on mediums.
Mercedes has some things to look into , update package not working cooling of engine cooling of brakes factory closes now so end of august going to be a fun reboot of this season.
And gasly is not performing so we all know how red bull is and they will swap him with a tr driver or something has nothing to do with what they said during press conference.
Bottas has still won races although he planted his car in the barriers , but Gasly does this during important sessions just like Leclerc when there is new experimental stuff on a car which they dont have many versions off. I mean to crash a ferrari in first part of qually ......

[izzy]

Lewis might think he's very funny in PC but he's a proper d!ck sometimes if you ask me. I don't remember where exactly, but he had a nice old jibe at Honda once and what he said about Pierre today was extremely disrespectful and left a filthy taste in the mouth!
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You are mistaken. I'm all for Hamilton being a serial winner. He can't help it if the others can't level up. It's his potty mouth that keeps sprouting up.

a potty mouth is something else. It was just joking around about Fernando coming back and his age, after he tweeted congrats to his mutual admirer Lewis, and eventually it led to this harmless bit of banter:

LH: The sport needs the best drivers in the best seats and there is still at least a seat available that’s good enough for winning and he’s good enough for winning so it wouldn’t be such a bad…

MV: Maybe he could speak to Toto.

LH: Valtteri’s great; Valtteri’s been winning. You’re the one with the extra seat, I would say.

MV: I didn’t say that.

Pretty glaring double standard from you. Why aren't you outraged at Max suggesting Valtteri's seat could be available? Does Max have some extra rights or what?

[Pyrone89]

Can all of you please stop acting like a bunch of millenial snowflakes that are triggered by every word someone says?

These drivers are just making fun. Jesus, you cant say anything these days or someone is offended.

I remember the days about a Japanese driver making a joke about Niki Lauda in the press conference and everyone laughing. Nowadays that joke would land you into political correctness prison.

Top be honest I cringe also that reporters/forums/tv etc. still go overboard if you use a swear word because 'what does it teach the children'. Honey, the children know those words already from the play yard, not from TV. That is the one thing I like about Dutch TV covering F1. When a driver is pissed they really spill their beans there and dont hold back (especially Ricciardo, Hulkenberg and Max)

[maxxer]

Can all of you please stop acting like a bunch of millenial snowflakes that are triggered by every word someone says?

These drivers are just making fun. Jesus, you cant say anything these days or someone is offended.

I remember the days about a Japanese driver making a joke about Niki Lauda in the press conference and everyone laughing. Nowadays that joke would land you into political correctness prison.

Well Lauda crashing and needing to catch himself on fire did change the outcome of that grand prix

[mzso]

I don't think the mercedes was faster, hamilton would have caught max much earlier and overtake more decisively.
I would say cars about equal with redbull advantage in middle sector and first. I think driver experience with managing pace won out; also hamilton has won here 7 times. That cannot be discounted.

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If reality doesn't suit you make up your own nonsense...
Mercedes made the strategy call to pit Hamilton while being one second behind, which was impossible for RB to react to since Verstappen was first on track. This was the deciding factor, plus the fact that Mercedes handled tires better here.
Hamilton was already a second faster in the middle sector of the out lap, and gained in the third sector as well. If Verstappen pitted he would have lost the race right there.

[zac510]

In hindsight Hamilton probably didn't need the 2nd stop, as Verstappen's tyres still would still have wasted away under pressure from Hamilton.

[Sieper]

In hindsight Hamilton probably didn't need the 2nd stop, as Verstappen's tyres still would still have wasted away under pressure from Hamilton.

The pressure would have been less, Max now had to go really, really fast to keep pace with Lewis on the yellows. Otherwise Max could have managed them more. Like he continued to do when Lewis was charging towards him after the first pitstop.

But I see where this is going.

[Restomaniac]

Can all of you please stop acting like a bunch of millenial snowflakes that are triggered by every word someone says?

Seriously?

Like when someone rightly points out that a driver has a learning curve with regard to leading from the front as he is used to chasing?

I’m not looking for a row just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[Restomaniac]

In hindsight Hamilton probably didn't need the 2nd stop, as Verstappen's tyres still would still have wasted away under pressure from Hamilton.

Without the extreme pressure of constant Qualy laps by Hamilton on new rubber which forced Verstappen to burn his I imgagine he would have been fine.

If Hamilton stayed on the Hards he would have been no much better than Verstappen at the end. Remember he would have stayed in Verstappen’s dirty air all that time. Instead he got fresh air so he could race without the problems of following.

[Pyrone89]

Can all of you please stop acting like a bunch of millenial snowflakes that are triggered by every word someone says?

Seriously?

Like when someone rightly points out that a driver has a learning curve with regard to leading from the front as he is used to chasing?

I was obviously referring to people going apeshit about swear words, drivers poking fun of each other and over manufacturers.

PS: for your point, I think Verstappen has had a couple of times now he dominated from the front (Mexico GP's, Malaysia, Germany 2019 second part) and also when hunted very closely (Spain 2016, Austria 2018). So it is not like he is new to it, and nor do I understand why this is brought up. Verstappen did not make a mistake, his car and pit stop strategy were simply not enough for the win today. It is not like he missed his braking point or worse and conceded the spot. Bringing this argument up implies he made a driving mistake today, which he clearly didnt.

[Restomaniac]

I don't think the mercedes was faster, hamilton would have caught max much earlier and overtake more decisively.
I would say cars about equal with redbull advantage in middle sector and first. I think driver experience with managing pace won out; also hamilton has won here 7 times. That cannot be discounted.

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If reality doesn't suit you make up your own nonsense...
Mercedes made the strategy call to pit Hamilton while being one second behind, which was impossible for RB to react to since Verstappen was first on track. This was the deciding factor, plus the fact that Mercedes handled tires better here.
Hamilton was already a second faster in the middle sector of the out lap, and gained in the third sector as well. If Verstappen pitted he would have lost the race right there.

Indeed. It was a play that only the second placed car could make.
M Brudle made a good point. The fact Hamilton didn’t pass Verstappen ultimately helped Hamilton otherwise it would have probably been Verstsppen with the fresh and fast rubber at the end.

[Polarit]

Hamilton had a pace advantage and he was much better on his tyres on the first stint.

In the second he was getting ready for another push so the pressure inning a Verstappen would’ve been very similar and with 6 lap fresher tyres I think the result is the same.