2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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The hard tire is a slow but didn't last long as expected

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Stop speculating about Alonso, he'll never drive for Honda again! At the time, it was even criticized that Hasegawa and Araï did not defend the team of technicians and engineers based in sakura enough, and that it strongly damaged Honda's cohesion, they were insulted and discriminated against, even though they knew full well that when alonso criticized Honda, 1 time out of 2 the problem came from Mc laren ! And yet Hasegawa and Arai were silent.
The Japanese have an excellent memory and can be extremely resentful, their latest Tweet 2Gp Gp2, has finally proven it!
Alonso and Honda are finished forever, whether in F1, Indy, WEC or any other motor sport! He's burned for life with the Japanese engine manufacturer!

Stef
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We thought he'd never drive a McLaren again after 2007.
You never know what can happen.

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Full Team radio of Max Verstappen during Hungary
(thank you Sieper)

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Stef wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:41
We thought he'd never drive a McLaren again after 2007.
You never know what can happen.
2007 McLaren was part of Daimler and that’s the reason he’ll never will drive for Mercedes again ;-)

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Capharol wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 23:40

@Pyrone, you never ever gives up track position unless you are 100% you can get it back and if you have read some reports and heard some interviews, RB wasn't able to match the speed that Mercedes had ....never ever in this race.

If you paid attention, HAM could easily stay within the 2 sec margin behind VER in the 1. Stint
in the 2nd Stint he could close a gap of 6 sec within 3 laps, maybe due to backmarkers or a small mistake, but i am not gonna discuss that.
after HAM changed on Mediums he pounded in best laptimes after best laptimes, Max had to go flatout to match HAM his laptimes but wasn't able to.... RB couldn't bring in because after HAM changed to Med he already had that gap below 20 sec. after the first 2 sectors and that would mean giving up track position, as which i already said you'll never ever do unless you are 100% sure to get it back, which RB wasn't .... and it is hard to overtake at the Hungary track
The chance was switch to softs and try to reverse who's on faster tyre
Vettel made 30 laps on new sfots before overtaking Leclerc, surely tyres used for 2 laps in qualy should be ok for 20 laps...
maybe it could work, maybe not, they still had huge margin to 3rd place. But again - probably they were expecting that hards will be ok till the end
Pirelli expected that, but this prediction failed.

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Jolle wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:54
Stef wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:41
We thought he'd never drive a McLaren again after 2007.
You never know what can happen.
2007 McLaren was part of Daimler and that’s the reason he’ll never will drive for Mercedes again ;-)
This is out of topic here, but I must clear something out -

Mclaren was never a part of Daimler, they owned 44% in shares for a few years but full buy out never materialzed and then Mclaren shareholders bought back the 44% and Mclaren group was formed, then splited into 3 different companies. Mclaren F1, Mclaren ROAD and Mclaren Technologies. Two years ago (#RON'S EXIT), all 3 merged back under one roof after Ron sold his shares.
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etusch
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It has been a frustrating weekend for Pierre," he said. "The start wasn't great, the first lap wasn't great, and we shouldn't be racing Saubers and McLarens.

"We need him to be racing Ferraris and Mercedes, and everything we can do to try to help him do that, we will do."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/gasl ... l/4508626/

Jolle
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bauc wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 10:28
Jolle wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:54
Stef wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:41
We thought he'd never drive a McLaren again after 2007.
You never know what can happen.
2007 McLaren was part of Daimler and that’s the reason he’ll never will drive for Mercedes again ;-)
This is out of topic here, but I must clear something out -

Mclaren was never a part of Daimler, they owned 44% in shares for a few years but full buy out never materialzed and then Mclaren shareholders bought back the 44% and Mclaren group was formed, then splited into 3 different companies. Mclaren F1, Mclaren ROAD and Mclaren Technologies. Two years ago (#RON'S EXIT), all 3 merged back under one roof after Ron sold his shares.
I know the numbers. 44% plus a board of directors made my Mercedes executives is enough. They were the largest shareholder and called the shots.

Capharol
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restless wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 10:21
Capharol wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 23:40

@Pyrone, you never ever gives up track position unless you are 100% you can get it back and if you have read some reports and heard some interviews, RB wasn't able to match the speed that Mercedes had ....never ever in this race.

If you paid attention, HAM could easily stay within the 2 sec margin behind VER in the 1. Stint
in the 2nd Stint he could close a gap of 6 sec within 3 laps, maybe due to backmarkers or a small mistake, but i am not gonna discuss that.
after HAM changed on Mediums he pounded in best laptimes after best laptimes, Max had to go flatout to match HAM his laptimes but wasn't able to.... RB couldn't bring in because after HAM changed to Med he already had that gap below 20 sec. after the first 2 sectors and that would mean giving up track position, as which i already said you'll never ever do unless you are 100% sure to get it back, which RB wasn't .... and it is hard to overtake at the Hungary track
The chance was switch to softs and try to reverse who's on faster tyre
Vettel made 30 laps on new sfots before overtaking Leclerc, surely tyres used for 2 laps in qualy should be ok for 20 laps...
maybe it could work, maybe not, they still had huge margin to 3rd place. But again - probably they were expecting that hards will be ok till the end
Pirelli expected that, but this prediction failed.
And first close a gap of 20s, which you will burn to the tyres already, and then fighting against Ham on fresh Mediums, which, as known, would last longer? A lost game, because as said Softs would be gone by the time VER would be near Ham and HAM would have matched the pace of VER for 5 laps and the deal was done anyway

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godzi wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:13
Alonso and Honda are finished forever, whether in F1, Indy, WEC or any other motor sport! He's burned for life with the Japanese engine manufacturer!
On the other hand, Jenson Button is a Honda company man, admired and loved by Honda Racing. Could Button make an F1 comeback as Verstappen's "wing man"? :D

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Big Tea
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JordanMugen wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 11:21
godzi wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 09:13
Alonso and Honda are finished forever, whether in F1, Indy, WEC or any other motor sport! He's burned for life with the Japanese engine manufacturer!
On the other hand, Jenson Button is a Honda company man, admired and loved by Honda Racing. Could Button make an F1 comeback as Verstappen's "wing man"? :D
Too late for Jenson, his time has gone now. He could do a Kimi type job or 'sort' a lower team but his F1 days are behind him unfortunately
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dren
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I think JB is happy doing other things.
Honda!

Capharol
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so here is a explanation of Marc Priestley, where he explains very nice on why RB (Verstappen) shouldn't/couldn't/wouldn't Pit after Hamilton did that in Lap 55

from min. 11:00


I hope with this we can put this discussion to bed, and see I was right and my explanation wasn't some BS

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Wouter
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dren wrote:
06 Aug 2019, 12:31
I think JB is happy doing other things.
Moreover, Jenson has already said that it would have been better to have stopped F1 a year earlier.
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