2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Capharol]

You guys seems to be the experts... Are you guys already been hired by RB, Mercedes, Ferrari or maybe McLaren.....
All, really ALL real experts agreed :
1. It was a masterstroke by Merc
2. Merc had more pace then the RB
3. RB could not win this battle, whatever you make of it....

But hey the guys at Sky F1 or the strategist at RB, Horner, Verstappen or Priestley know squad about F1.
You guys claiming it is possible are the real experts here

Honestly I would understand you guys if I was the only one telling you this, but doubting ppl that really know how it works..... Disappointing, I thought users here had more knowledge and understanding.
Don't miss understand me, I accept every bodies opinion but being so stubborn and even indirectly saying the experts are wrong.... Well mildly putted.... Disappointed

I'd agree with all but 3. Red Bull is very close, close enough that had Verstappen made that 2nd stop when the gap presented itself he would have finished ahead. You live and you learn.

There are a few positives to take, the car is good enough to challenge, it's slightly slower for now so a Verstappen win is all the more impressive. The team now knows that if you have a gap behind for a 2nd pit stop you take it ASAP, otherwise the goal is still to do the race with 1 stop.

then lets agree to disagree, because no way Verstappen could have gotten Hamilton ....Verstappen maybe could have pound in a few laps of high 1.17 or low 1.18 but at the end the tyres (softs) would have been dead, on the Mediums Hamilton was the faster car so equal tyres wouldn't have cut it to....

but we will never now.
I just can't wrapp my head around the point that, ppl still keep saying it was possible although every racedriver, every engineer, every expert is saying the same i do but you guys still think it was possible, I've even showed prove, you can look it up on Sky Sport F1, Post race in interviews with Verstappen and Horner .... this is beyond my imagination
.
for me this discussion is closed, because if users here don't even believe the real experts .... sorry then there is no foundation to discuss on.

[rogazilla]

I think RBR did the best they can. Merc has more race pace and that's the fact given the condition of the race. One thing to consider is that Hungary has traditionally been hard to pass.
1. While Ver is in the lead, unless they know for sure Hamilton can't pound out faster lap at the second stint and go in for a tire change and hope that Hamilton don't pound out faster lap and block VER to the end of the race.
2. Hamilton is behind VER, it is easy to react and pit if VER pit as well.
Merc in this instance has more option than red bull. The only thing Redbull can do is 1, stay out and hope that the difficult to pass track work in their advantage towards the end but the hard tire was not holding up. If they had pitted AFTER HAM, there is no guarantee given slightly fresher tire that they could pass HAM.

Red Bull and Honda picked the safer route and rightfully because they are in the lead. I am happy that at half way to the season they are taking the fight to Merc and Ferr already. let's see how the second half of the season unfold.

[godlameroso]

You guys seems to be the experts... Are you guys already been hired by RB, Mercedes, Ferrari or maybe McLaren.....
All, really ALL real experts agreed :
1. It was a masterstroke by Merc
2. Merc had more pace then the RB
3. RB could not win this battle, whatever you make of it....

But hey the guys at Sky F1 or the strategist at RB, Horner, Verstappen or Priestley know squad about F1.
You guys claiming it is possible are the real experts here

Honestly I would understand you guys if I was the only one telling you this, but doubting ppl that really know how it works..... Disappointing, I thought users here had more knowledge and understanding.
Don't miss understand me, I accept every bodies opinion but being so stubborn and even indirectly saying the experts are wrong.... Well mildly putted.... Disappointed

I'd agree with all but 3. Red Bull is very close, close enough that had Verstappen made that 2nd stop when the gap presented itself he would have finished ahead. You live and you learn.

There are a few positives to take, the car is good enough to challenge, it's slightly slower for now so a Verstappen win is all the more impressive. The team now knows that if you have a gap behind for a 2nd pit stop you take it ASAP, otherwise the goal is still to do the race with 1 stop.

then lets agree to disagree, because no way Verstappen could have gotten Hamilton ....Verstappen maybe could have pound in a few laps of high 1.17 or low 1.18 but at the end the tyres (softs) would have been dead, on the Mediums Hamilton was the faster car so equal tyres wouldn't have cut it to....

but we will never now.
I just can't wrapp my head around the point that, ppl still keep saying it was possible although every racedriver, every engineer, every expert is saying the same i do but you guys still think it was possible, I've even showed prove, you can look it up on Sky Sport F1, Post race in interviews with Verstappen and Horner .... this is beyond my imagination
.
for me this discussion is closed, because if users here don't even believe the real experts .... sorry then there is no foundation to discuss on.

He wouldn't have been able to pass Hamilton, but could have held on to the lead had he pitted at the same time, or earlier. Mercedes saw they had a free stop and took it, they covered a base Red Bull hadn't considered. Again, you live you learn.

[Capharol]

I'd agree with all but 3. Red Bull is very close, close enough that had Verstappen made that 2nd stop when the gap presented itself he would have finished ahead. You live and you learn.

There are a few positives to take, the car is good enough to challenge, it's slightly slower for now so a Verstappen win is all the more impressive. The team now knows that if you have a gap behind for a 2nd pit stop you take it ASAP, otherwise the goal is still to do the race with 1 stop.

then lets agree to disagree, because no way Verstappen could have gotten Hamilton ....Verstappen maybe could have pound in a few laps of high 1.17 or low 1.18 but at the end the tyres (softs) would have been dead, on the Mediums Hamilton was the faster car so equal tyres wouldn't have cut it to....

but we will never now.
I just can't wrapp my head around the point that, ppl still keep saying it was possible although every racedriver, every engineer, every expert is saying the same i do but you guys still think it was possible, I've even showed prove, you can look it up on Sky Sport F1, Post race in interviews with Verstappen and Horner .... this is beyond my imagination
.
for me this discussion is closed, because if users here don't even believe the real experts .... sorry then there is no foundation to discuss on.

He wouldn't have been able to pass Hamilton, but could have held on to the lead had he pitted at the same time, or earlier. Mercedes saw they had a free stop and took it, they covered a base Red Bull hadn't considered. Again, you live you learn.

Reallyyyyyy
you DON'T consider a 2 stopper when your opponent is just 1-2s behind you and you have the lead.
Because then you lose track position on a track where its hard to overtake, watch the video i posted earlier from Priestley, he explains it very good an understandeable .... really godlamerosso i expected more of you, and if you don't see that, then i overestimated you

[HPD]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

[Bill_Kar]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

Now?

[Marti_EF3]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

I hope Gasly will be taking a Spec 4 at Spa. If he can't bring good results, at least help to fine tuning the PU for Max. And maybe if he have some more power, bring some points at the same time (that last thing, is a big IF)

[Capharol]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

Now?

yes please .....

i think Leclerc will take his first win here and Max will be 4th, and i hope no more Gasly in the 2nd Bull but the latter will stay a wish

[Pyrone89]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

Now?

yes please .....

i think Leclerc will take his first win here and Max will be 4th, and i hope no more Gasly in the 2nd Bull but the latter will stay a wish

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Leclerc
4. Bottas
5. Verstappen
6. Kvyat (if they switch drivers) or Sainz

[loner]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

I hope Gasly will be taking a Spec 4 at Spa. If he can't bring good results, at least help to fine tuning the PU for Max. And maybe if he have some more power, bring some points at the same time (that last thing, is a big IF)

good idea.
well 1 Renault and 1 Mclaren will be taking Renault's spec 3 in Spa there are some parity i can see since they are his direct competitors.

[godlameroso]

then lets agree to disagree, because no way Verstappen could have gotten Hamilton ....Verstappen maybe could have pound in a few laps of high 1.17 or low 1.18 but at the end the tyres (softs) would have been dead, on the Mediums Hamilton was the faster car so equal tyres wouldn't have cut it to....

but we will never now.
I just can't wrapp my head around the point that, ppl still keep saying it was possible although every racedriver, every engineer, every expert is saying the same i do but you guys still think it was possible, I've even showed prove, you can look it up on Sky Sport F1, Post race in interviews with Verstappen and Horner .... this is beyond my imagination
.
for me this discussion is closed, because if users here don't even believe the real experts .... sorry then there is no foundation to discuss on.

He wouldn't have been able to pass Hamilton, but could have held on to the lead had he pitted at the same time, or earlier. Mercedes saw they had a free stop and took it, they covered a base Red Bull hadn't considered. Again, you live you learn.

Reallyyyyyy
you DON'T consider a 2 stopper when your opponent is just 1-2s behind you and you have the lead.
Because then you lose track position on a track where its hard to overtake, watch the video i posted earlier from Priestley, he explains it very good an understandeable .... really godlamerosso i expected more of you, and if you don't see that, then i overestimated you

See what, it is clear the Mercedes is a little faster, and I'm not disputing this, it's clear that yes with equal tires, had both cars gone to the end, Mercedes would not have been able to make that pass. China last year showed the difference newer tires could make vs old when Riccardo demolished everyone. Mercedes saw they had a free stop as they would not have to deal with overtaking any car for position. They had over 20 laps when the call was made, it played out exactly as China did last year.

Had Verstappen pitted at the same time as Hamilton or earlier, he would have retained the lead and won. Red Bull didn't consider that scenario, they took a gamble on track position, but didn't count on the tires giving up the way they did. Considering Verstappen got fastest lap by over a second shows the disparity between old and new tires and a difference of fuel load makes.

In any case, it was a very interesting race, and showed that in a stalemate, it takes more than just the driver but a whole team effort to make a difference. Again you live and you learn, I really don't see where we are in disagreement, that Mercedes is slightly faster in Hamilton's hands? Yes currently that is the case, and that gap will be closed in due time, and it will happen this year.

[Capharol]

Well.. and when do we start talking about the Belgian/Spa GP?

I hope Gasly will be taking a Spec 4 at Spa. If he can't bring good results, at least help to fine tuning the PU for Max. And maybe if he have some more power, bring some points at the same time (that last thing, is a big IF)

unfortunatly it won't do any good if you give Gasly a beter engine, he drives so slow that you could think he still uses the spec 1 of 2016

[Bill]

Gasly is slow in certain types of corners spa has no slow corners so his performance will be decent

[gokarter]

I think redbull ran a touch more downforce than they should. Probably they should have trimmed a bit for the race but they didn't. In Spa they will back to normal and i reckon if max can survive first lap then he can surprise.

[godlameroso]

The Red Bull is actually the fastest car in high speed corners like the ones in sector 2. I think it'll be very close once again.