2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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PeAk power is not end story it's how long you can run that power that make the difference for that you need reliability everyone knows that Honda & Merc has it Renault and Ferrari not.

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Wouter wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 10:27
dxpetrov wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 09:56
isullivan wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 09:41
When do you think they are going to take new components penalties ?
Why would anyone had to think?! It's already confirmed - Monza. That engine will last till the end, except if they found a substantial power gain in the meantime.
That is not correct. They have to race 9 races with the spec 4?
There will be a spec 5 at the end of the season or another new spec 4.
No, 7 - Spa and another one with spec 3, possibly Singapore.
Another engine only if it brings more performance.

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godlameroso wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 14:18
It would be very impressive, Honda just needs to add .2 of performance relative to Mercedes to give Red Bull a shot at wins on every track. Alternatively Red Bull and Honda can each find a tenth relative to Merc on their half of the package.

I honestly believe with just a little more performance on the car, that Verstappen could win every race from here on out. That Mercedes will implode once the RB15 is the better car.

Easier said than done because the Mercedes spec 3 should be a nice bump. Mercedes has the luxury of not developing this year's car any more and still take the fight to the end. So they may abandon 2019, and start working exclusively on 2020.
1. As you say Merc is also bringing PU upgrades, so we need to detract their performance gains to see the nett gain
2. It makes a lot of difference if the gains are highest engine mode only or for every engine mode (ideal) basically can you use the extra HP always or only for a couple of laps?
3. We have finally seen the real pace of the W10 in highest race pace without saving in Hungary and it was scary. Sure there was a different tyre strategy but RB and Marko have admitted they would have been unable to do the same times (article on F1maximaal today, so not talking about getting back behind after stopping, really talking about ultimate pace).
4. Mercedes have also admitted they are still finding the optimal set-up for the new upgrades.
5. Hungary suited RB relative to the competition due to the short straights

We need a lot more than 2 tenths to really bother the W10 in full race beast mode.
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Could be. They are running spec 1 (and/or spec 2) on fridays so 7 or 8 weekends for spec3 and spec4 must be possible

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Pyrone89 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 16:00
godlameroso wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 14:18
It would be very impressive, Honda just needs to add .2 of performance relative to Mercedes to give Red Bull a shot at wins on every track. Alternatively Red Bull and Honda can each find a tenth relative to Merc on their half of the package.

I honestly believe with just a little more performance on the car, that Verstappen could win every race from here on out. That Mercedes will implode once the RB15 is the better car.

Easier said than done because the Mercedes spec 3 should be a nice bump. Mercedes has the luxury of not developing this year's car any more and still take the fight to the end. So they may abandon 2019, and start working exclusively on 2020.
1. As you say Merc is also bringing PU upgrades, so we need to detract their performance gains to see the nett gain
2. It makes a lot of difference if the gains are highest engine mode only or for every engine mode (ideal) basically can you use the extra HP always or only for a couple of laps?
3. We have finally seen the real pace of the W10 in highest race pace without saving in Hungary and it was scary. Sure there was a different tyre strategy but RB and Marko have admitted they would have been unable to do the same times (article on F1maximaal today, so not talking about getting back behind after stopping, really talking about ultimate pace).
4. Mercedes have also admitted they are still finding the optimal set-up for the new upgrades.
5. Hungary suited RB relative to the competition due to the short straights

We need a lot more than 2 tenths to really bother the W10 in full race beast mode.
I don't think we need more than that. The Mercedes is still faster, in Hamilton's hands(not Bottas), but the difference isn't that great. It's not more than .3, but it's not quite .1 somewhere in between.

Last year in Spa, Verstappen finished 31 seconds off the lead. So on average was about .7 seconds slower than the winning Ferrari of Vettel. Who finished the race in 1h 23m 34.476 seconds. Assuming a .3 advantage over last year. Vettel should be able to finish the race in ideal conditions @ ~1h 23m 21.2 seconds.

Verstappen finished 31.3 seconds behind last year, again .7 seconds slower on average, this year the Red Bull has improved by 1.4 seconds on tracks with long full throttle sections like Silverstone. This would put him right on par with the pace Ferrari is expected to bring to Spa this year. I don't think Mercedes has the car to win in Spa, too much drag, and not enough slow corners for Mercedes to get a big advantage. Mercedes will be the best in turns 10, 13, and 15. Not enough to overcome the time they'll lose in sectors 1 and 2. The Red Bull is not as draggy as the Mercedes, but also has more downforce than the Ferrari, so they'll lose somewhat on the straights but not as much as Mercedes, and gain in the corners, but not as much as Mercedes. I honestly think it will be very very close once again, but I expect a much better showing from Ferrari.
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godlameroso wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 16:27
I don't think Mercedes has the car to win in Spa, too much drag, and not enough slow corners for Mercedes to get a big advantage. Mercedes will be the best in turns 10, 13, and 15. Not enough to overcome the time they'll lose in sectors 1 and 2. The Red Bull is not as draggy as the Mercedes, but also has more downforce than the Ferrari, so they'll lose somewhat on the straights but not as much as Mercedes, and gain in the corners, but not as much as Mercedes. I honestly think it will be very very close once again, but I expect a much better showing from Ferrari.
I assume you say this based on the assumption that Mercedes would NOT introduce any upgrades (PU or chassis) and specifically doesn’t bring a lown down force configuration.

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I say this considering any update brought by Mercedes, although I have reason to suspect with their advantage, that they may not need to keep updating this year's car to get a head start for next year. They certainly have that luxury, and if it were me, I'd take it. It's also good for the sport if we have a good fight until the end of the year. Given that this was year one of the RB Honda partnership, I can see them taking a decent step forward again next year.

Again if I were Mercedes I'd start preparing next year because the RBR Honda threat is very real. Plus Ferrari will be much better next year as well.
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McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:51
Shocker! Another Bombshell. Return of the Finger. Vettel looks set to be back at RedBull after the summer break taking Gaslys seat and Albon is going to Ferrari.
Wozser.
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McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:51
Shocker! Another Bombshell. Return of the Finger. Vettel looks set to be back at RedBull after the summer break taking Gaslys seat and Albon is going to Ferrari.
Wozser.
Stay away from whatever you are smoking
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godlameroso wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:38
I say this considering any update brought by Mercedes, although I have reason to suspect with their advantage, that they may not need to keep updating this year's car to get a head start for next year. They certainly have that luxury, and if it were me, I'd take it. It's also good for the sport if we have a good fight until the end of the year. Given that this was year one of the RB Honda partnership, I can see them taking a decent step forward again next year.

Again if I were Mercedes I'd start preparing next year because the RBR Honda threat is very real. Plus Ferrari will be much better next year as well.
Mercedes can transfer their bigger force to next year after Hungary win or maybe wait a bit more. But Redbull threat is still valid for this year too. If they lost concentration still they can lost this year too

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Pyrone89 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 18:22
McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:51
Shocker! Another Bombshell. Return of the Finger. Vettel looks set to be back at RedBull after the summer break taking Gaslys seat and Albon is going to Ferrari.
Wozser.
Stay away from whatever you are smoking
Lol. Let's see if that comment ages better than "Renault has the best engine"

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nzjrs wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 19:10
McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:51
Shocker! Another Bombshell. Return of the Finger. Vettel looks set to be back at RedBull after the summer break taking Gaslys seat and Albon is going to Ferrari.
Wozser.
Lol. Let's see if that comment ages better than "Renault has the best engine"
Let me know when there is 1000hp at the back of the RedBulls. No smoke without fire,

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McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:51
Shocker! Another Bombshell. Return of the Finger. Vettel looks set to be back at RedBull after the summer break taking Gaslys seat and Albon is going to Ferrari.
Wozser.
Delusional boy strikes again! Wtf are you saying? That's even better than the Renault is a monster PU, and it will be hard and bad races for RBR (2 wins after you said that,so maybe we will win at Spa and Monza :lol:)

Seriously, if you post here only to be delusional, trolling, and claiming things only your mind can imagine. Better to go away elsewhere, maybe you would be better on some Renault powered teams or speculation threads...

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McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 21:06
nzjrs wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 19:10
McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 17:51
Shocker! Another Bombshell. Return of the Finger. Vettel looks set to be back at RedBull after the summer break taking Gaslys seat and Albon is going to Ferrari.
Wozser.
Lol. Let's see if that comment ages better than "Renault has the best engine"
Let me know when there is 1000hp at the back of the RedBulls. No smoke without fire,
Unfortunate choice of words for a Renault fan, Cyril :lol:
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Pyrone89 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 21:36
McMika98 wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 21:06
nzjrs wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 19:10


Lol. Let's see if that comment ages better than "Renault has the best engine"
Let me know when there is 1000hp at the back of the RedBulls. No smoke without fire,
Unfortunate choice of words for a Renault fan, Cyril :lol:
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