2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Bill]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/12/29 ... round-max/

[Pyrone89]

I would have rather went for Kvyat. Albons fast but like Gasly has not demonstrated enough aggression, overtaking and wheel to wheel racing other than with his own team mate and Gasly. Like Gasly I think he will be fast in free air but get stuck behind McLaren and Alfa. I hope I am wrong. But as others have mentioned maybe they just want to test him I a high pressure environment quali and race before they make a decision on next year. Bottas may become available, and they know he is a good in quali in a top team against a top team mate

I also thought they will replace with Kyat. He is doing great even 1 year absence in F1.
If Kyat with Max, then we will know how Max is driving and his capability. I think thats why RB don't want to put Kyat along with Max. Kyat may be Better than Danial and Max.

You can not possibly be serious.

[Pyrone89]

Cant wait for the amazon footage of Horner telling Gasly his seat is safe at Hungary then ringing him to tell him he's been demoted

Amazon footage?

Would be hard to take Gasly out into the woods

But I am sure you meant Netflix, which is ironic seeing how the series is called ‘drive to survive’

[GPR-A]

The behavior on this particular thread is amusing to say the least. No different to how some folks on Ferrari team thread behaves with regards to their ex-drivers. When Ricciardo was driving for Red Bull, all hail he was a great driver and now that he isn't, there is every reason to criticize him. If and When Verstappen leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see some people here trying to kill his reputation with some or the other reason that he was never fit for Red Bull. Some people did that to Alonso when he left Ferrari, blaming him to be responsible for everything that was wrong at Ferrari. This is just bad behavior to ridicule Ricciardo, who gave so much joy for Red Bull.

[Datco]

https://www.grandprix247.com/2017/12/29 ... round-max/

So where does it say RBR wanted to build a team around max?It only says max can be in a position to build a team around himself.
Somehow people took click bait headlines to change facts and make excuses for Ricciardo's irrational departure.

[HPD]

Few drivers have the opportunity to run in F1 and in a team that competes for the victories.
They should be grateful. That's all I will say

[digitalrurouni]

The behavior on this particular thread is amusing to say the least. No different to how some folks on Ferrari team thread behaves with regards to their ex-drivers. When Ricciardo was driving for Red Bull, all hail he was a great driver and now that he isn't, there is every reason to criticize him. If and When Verstappen leaves, I wouldn't be surprised to see some people here trying to kill his reputation with some or the other reason that he was never fit for Red Bull. Some people did that to Alonso when he left Ferrari, blaming him to be responsible for everything that was wrong at Ferrari. This is just bad behavior to ridicule Ricciardo, who gave so much joy for Red Bull.

I think it's more Ric made a bad move to Renault leaving RBR than being a bad driver.

[Ground Effect]

What amuses me the most on this forum is how a lot of folks deliver what is clearly their opinion, as fact. Saying why Ricciardo did this, why Max did that. They even know what colour of socks Ricciardo was wearing when he called Horner to say he was leaving. For me, I feel Gasly disappointed himself, he should have been more consistent and closer to Max. But Red Bull brought this on themselves, they are a bit too political and play games with the drivers that they like less. They are anything but transparent in their dealings. Perhaps this time they took the decision for the right reasons, but they have a worrisome past. Max is a phenomenal driver, a once in a generation talent, so there was eagerness to put him in a Red Bull, or risk loosing him in the near future. But was Kvyat doing so badly? How many mistakes did he make before being demoted? He had secured a podium in China, had a bad race in Russia, and that was it. Let's remember, which ever way you look at it, Kvyat finished ahead of Ricciardo in the 2015 Championship. He secured Red Bull's first podium of 2016, but a bad race weekend gave Red Bull the opportunity and excuse to do what they had wanted to do for a while. I can't imagine a Toto Wolff or most other team bosses saying a driver won't be replaced mid season and turning around and replacing him.
The biggest looser in all this for me is Toro Rosso, once again, it appears they have 2 disappointed drivers. Kvyat may be disappointed for not being prompted, Gasly for being demoted. This could affect their points haul.

[sprint car76]

Remember when hamilton moved to merc? A lot of posters had to swallow hard after the first year. Ric's move to renault is a story that's just unfolding. Lots can happen yet.

[Maplesoup]

What amuses me the most on this forum is how a lot of folks deliver what is clearly their opinion, as fact.

A million times this. Especially in the technical discussions, it's like they can see the CFD computation just from an image.

[Sieper]

What amuses me the most on this forum is how a lot of folks deliver what is clearly their opinion, as fact. Saying why Ricciardo did this, why Max did that. They even know what colour of socks Ricciardo was wearing when he called Horner to say he was leaving. For me, I feel Gasly disappointed himself, he should have been more consistent and closer to Max. But Red Bull brought this on themselves, they are a bit too political and play games with the drivers that they like less. They are anything but transparent in their dealings. Perhaps this time they took the decision for the right reasons, but they have a worrisome past. Max is a phenomenal driver, a once in a generation talent, so there was eagerness to put him in a Red Bull, or risk loosing him in the near future. But was Kvyat doing so badly? How many mistakes did he make before being demoted? He had secured a podium in China, had a bad race in Russia, and that was it. Let's remember, which ever way you look at it, Kvyat finished ahead of Ricciardo in the 2015 Championship. He secured Red Bull's first podium of 2016, but a bad race weekend gave Red Bull the opportunity and excuse to do what they had wanted to do for a while. I can't imagine a Toto Wolff or most other team bosses saying a driver won't be replaced mid season and turning around and replacing him.
The biggest looser in all this for me is Toro Rosso, once again, it appears they have 2 disappointed drivers. Kvyat may be disappointed for not being prompted, Gasly for being demoted. This could affect their points haul.

You spent the first two sentences chastising others for giving their opinion (everybody knows that, just opinion, this is an opne forum we don't need to type imho, imho, imho imho after every sentence to make that clear, do we? I feel that Imho that is not needed. Even going as far as to ridicule that (what colour socks) and then you simply continue onwards to give YOUR own opinion. I for one highly disagree with your opinion that RB is highly political and plays games with drivers. They are highly about talent. But they have just two seats in the main team. Their young drivers program is always more then 2 seats. But look at how many ex RBR youth program talents are now in F1.

[Phil]

What amuses me the most on this forum is how a lot of folks deliver what is clearly their opinion, as fact. Saying why Ricciardo did this, why Max did that. They even know what colour of socks Ricciardo was wearing when he called Horner to say he was leaving. For me, I feel Gasly disappointed himself, he should have been more consistent and closer to Max. But Red Bull brought this on themselves, they are a bit too political and play games with the drivers that they like less. They are anything but transparent in their dealings. Perhaps this time they took the decision for the right reasons, but they have a worrisome past. Max is a phenomenal driver, a once in a generation talent, so there was eagerness to put him in a Red Bull, or risk loosing him in the near future. But was Kvyat doing so badly? How many mistakes did he make before being demoted? He had secured a podium in China, had a bad race in Russia, and that was it. Let's remember, which ever way you look at it, Kvyat finished ahead of Ricciardo in the 2015 Championship. He secured Red Bull's first podium of 2016, but a bad race weekend gave Red Bull the opportunity and excuse to do what they had wanted to do for a while. I can't imagine a Toto Wolff or most other team bosses saying a driver won't be replaced mid season and turning around and replacing him.
The biggest looser in all this for me is Toro Rosso, once again, it appears they have 2 disappointed drivers. Kvyat may be disappointed for not being prompted, Gasly for being demoted. This could affect their points haul.

Some very good points here... no doubt they have alienated a lot of drivers over the years. Ricciardo is probably the most prominent one. As long as RedBull can retain Max, all will be well, but once he leaves - and the sharks (Mercedes) seem to be circling and waiting for an opportunity - what will they do? While demoting Gasly seems to be an excellent choice, i cant really see Albon stepping up - though i might be surprised.

RedBull is doing the best they can to find the best fit to partner Max in 2020. Beyond that, i think RedBull will have to have deep pockets to keep max.

Though who knows, if Ocon gets the seat next to Hamilton next year and does well, they might not be an opening for Max there.

[Jolle]

To me, the move of RIC to Renault makes a lot of sense. As a driver you want to be in a works car and te be the main focus of the team. With RedBull's focus shifting more to the other side of the garage, he had lost his position of 2015/2016. With Mercedes and Ferrari occupied, Renault was the sensible (and only) choice.

[Espresso]

Surprise Verstappen and Albon it is.
https://twitter.com/redbullracing/statu ... 9215156224

RBR website

ALEX JOINS THE TEAM
MON 12.08.19

The Team will race with a new driver line-up from the Belgian Grand Prix onwards.

Alexander Albon is being promoted to the Team to drive alongside Max, while Pierre will return to the Red Bull sister team, Scuderia Toro Rosso.

Red Bull are in the unique position of having four talented Formula One drivers under contract who can be rotated between the Team and Toro Rosso. The Team will use the next nine races to evaluate Alex’s performance in order to make an informed decision as to who will drive alongside Max in 2020.

Everyone at the Team looks forward to welcoming Alex and supporting him during the next phase of his F1 career.

[Datco]

What amuses me the most on this forum is how a lot of folks deliver what is clearly their opinion, as fact. Saying why Ricciardo did this, why Max did that. They even know what colour of socks Ricciardo was wearing when he called Horner to say he was leaving. For me, I feel Gasly disappointed himself, he should have been more consistent and closer to Max. But Red Bull brought this on themselves, they are a bit too political and play games with the drivers that they like less. They are anything but transparent in their dealings. Perhaps this time they took the decision for the right reasons, but they have a worrisome past. Max is a phenomenal driver, a once in a generation talent, so there was eagerness to put him in a Red Bull, or risk loosing him in the near future. But was Kvyat doing so badly? How many mistakes did he make before being demoted? He had secured a podium in China, had a bad race in Russia, and that was it. Let's remember, which ever way you look at it, Kvyat finished ahead of Ricciardo in the 2015 Championship. He secured Red Bull's first podium of 2016, but a bad race weekend gave Red Bull the opportunity and excuse to do what they had wanted to do for a while. I can't imagine a Toto Wolff or most other team bosses saying a driver won't be replaced mid season and turning around and replacing him.
The biggest looser in all this for me is Toro Rosso, once again, it appears they have 2 disappointed drivers. Kvyat may be disappointed for not being prompted, Gasly for being demoted. This could affect their points haul.

And how many of the young drivers did Merc and Ferrari put in their car? I can only think of Leclerc which is a recent move. I would say they treat their drivers worse. You can't make everyone happy but RBR does more.
Maybe look in the mirror and repeat the first line of your post.