2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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NL_Fer wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 20:47
Suggestions have been made about Redbull selling Torro Rosso to Honda at some point. But what does Honda need with a small Italian based team, which uses Redbull’s technology? Wouldn’t the chance be bigger, that Redbull sells Redbull Racing to Honda, so that Honda becomes a top 3 manufacturer, capable of winning championships. Keeping STR for the new talents?
That was during the time that they secured a deal with RBR, just around the time they had a contract with Sauber.

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Manoah2u wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 19:39
I rather doubt Gasly will be present in a RB car in 2020.
With the (lack of) availability of new talent with enough super license points, they might not have much choice...

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Jolle wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 21:38
Manoah2u wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 19:39
I rather doubt Gasly will be present in a RB car in 2020.
With the (lack of) availability of new talent with enough super license points, they might not have much choice...
Maybe Naoki Yamamoto will take the seat at 2020, if he does a good job at Suzuka on the FP. Honda wants a Japanese driver, and the best positioned for it and with the points for the SL is Naoki. Yes, he is a bit old, but may be a good step for bringing more japanese talent there. And on the other hand, Honda would be very happy

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:16
Jolle wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 21:38
Manoah2u wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 19:39
I rather doubt Gasly will be present in a RB car in 2020.
With the (lack of) availability of new talent with enough super license points, they might not have much choice...
Maybe Naoki Yamamoto will take the seat at 2020, if he does a good job at Suzuka on the FP. Honda wants a Japanese driver, and the best positioned for it and with the points for the SL is Naoki. Yes, he is a bit old, but may be a good step for bringing more japanese talent there. And on the other hand, Honda would be very happy
In 2017 Naoki and Pierre were in the same team Mugen in the Super Formula.
Pierre at the end of the season in 2th place with 33 points and Naoki in 9th place with 10.5 points.
Last race weekend was canceled (Tyfoon).
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Wouter wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:55
Marti_EF3 wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:16
Jolle wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 21:38


With the (lack of) availability of new talent with enough super license points, they might not have much choice...
Maybe Naoki Yamamoto will take the seat at 2020, if he does a good job at Suzuka on the FP. Honda wants a Japanese driver, and the best positioned for it and with the points for the SL is Naoki. Yes, he is a bit old, but may be a good step for bringing more japanese talent there. And on the other hand, Honda would be very happy
In 2017 Naoki and Pierre were in the same team Mugen in the Super Formula.
Pierre at the end of the season in 2th place with 33 points and Naoki in 9th place with 10.5 points.
Last race weekend was canceled (Tyfoon).
He have 2 Super Formula championships, plus a Super GT championship. What have Gasly? A GP2 championship versus Giovinazzi?? He have enough to be there and prove what he have to offer. At least he is much better with 1vs1 than Gasly is. And even Kamui Kobayashi is struggling there (and he is a very capable driver)

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Wouter wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:55
Marti_EF3 wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:16
Jolle wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 21:38


With the (lack of) availability of new talent with enough super license points, they might not have much choice...
Maybe Naoki Yamamoto will take the seat at 2020, if he does a good job at Suzuka on the FP. Honda wants a Japanese driver, and the best positioned for it and with the points for the SL is Naoki. Yes, he is a bit old, but may be a good step for bringing more japanese talent there. And on the other hand, Honda would be very happy
In 2017 Naoki and Pierre were in the same team Mugen in the Super Formula.
Pierre at the end of the season in 2th place with 33 points and Naoki in 9th place with 10.5 points.
Last race weekend was canceled (Tyfoon).
In 2017, while he was 'team mates' with Gasly, the two cars were not actually run by the same team. Naoki can be super quick, especially at Suzuka, so I think it is possible they will give him the TR drive next season. Unfortunately I don't think he is very adaptable as a driver, so I'd worry about him getting up to speed quick enough at circuits that were new to him. From Japan, there is another driver who is currently affiliated with Red Bull (albeit loosely), who IMO would be a better choice: Ryo Hirakawa. Only trouble is that he is employed by Toyota at the moment.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
21 Aug 2019, 00:24
Wouter wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:55
Marti_EF3 wrote:
20 Aug 2019, 22:16


Maybe Naoki Yamamoto will take the seat at 2020, if he does a good job at Suzuka on the FP. Honda wants a Japanese driver, and the best positioned for it and with the points for the SL is Naoki. Yes, he is a bit old, but may be a good step for bringing more japanese talent there. And on the other hand, Honda would be very happy
In 2017 Naoki and Pierre were in the same team Mugen in the Super Formula.
Pierre at the end of the season in 2th place with 33 points and Naoki in 9th place with 10.5 points.
Last race weekend was canceled (Tyfoon).
He have 2 Super Formula championships, plus a Super GT championship. What have Gasly? A GP2 championship versus Giovinazzi?? He have enough to be there and prove what he have to offer. At least he is much better with 1vs1 than Gasly is. And even Kamui Kobayashi is struggling there (and he is a very capable driver)
In 2017, Gasly drove for the first time in the Super Formula in Japan.
Yamamoto drove his 8th season in the SF that year.
Gasly has adapted very quickly, a fast learner.
I wonder how quickly Naoki can adapt.
That can only be seen when he drives an F1 car.
I just wonder if Yamamoto is better now than Gasly.
Albon, for example, has adapted very quickly.

Here you can see the results for 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Supe ... ampionship

Here you can see the results of Naoki in the SF from 2010 onwards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naoki_Yam ... ng_driver)
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They are many drivers who did well in lower formulas but did poorly in f1 and those who did poor in lower division but were very good in f1 like Schumacher. F1 is a totally different beast.

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They are many drivers who did well in lower formulas but did poorly in f1 and those who did poor in lower division but were very good in f1 like Schumacher. F1 is a totally different beast.

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Bill wrote:
21 Aug 2019, 10:07
They are many drivers who did well in lower formulas but did poorly in f1 and those who did poor in lower division but were very good in f1 like Schumacher. F1 is a totally different beast.
I wouldn't say that Schumacher did poor in lower divisions. Between 1983 and 1987 he won several karting Championships. In 1988 he competed in 3 Formula series and become 1st, 2nd and 6th. In 1989 he became 3rd in German Formula Three and 1st in 1990. And from 1991 he was kinda in F1 already.

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lots of speculation, but hey that's what we do here anyway :lol: :wink: 8) ....

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Option 1) Alexander Arbon Probably the first option Red Bull wants is to continue Alexander Arbon after 2020. If Arbon responds to the request of Helmut Marco, Red Bull's motorsport advisor in the remaining nine races, and if both drivers are able to show consistency with Ferrari in the constructors' championship, the possibility of Arbon's continuation will be high.

If Alexander Arbon can't match Max Verstappen to him, the team will have to look for other drivers. However, in the past, Danielle Kubiato was demoted in 2017 and replaced with Pierre Guthrie, so it is unlikely that Guthrie will recall it for the rest of 2019.

Option 2) Bring the former driver back to the team. The driver says they will never return, but Red Bull must do so. Are you going to recall Carlos Sainz ’s impressive performance after McLaren's move? Maybe, but by doing so, Red Bull has to admit that he has made a mistake, so it is unlikely that he will recall Sainz. Sainz is also very happy with McLaren and the team has already announced it as part of the 2020 lineup, so it is doubtful that Sainz will leave the team.

What about Daniel Ricardo? Daniel Ricardo, who wasn't very successful in his first year at Renault, might have expected it to be a pretty challenging season, but he wouldn't have expected it to be so bad . Daniel Ricardo has a contract with Renault in 2020, but may want to transfer. But Red Bull will have to pay a lot to cancel the deal with Renault.

What about the return of the rumored Ferrari Sebastian Vettel? Vettel has won four titles in Red Bull in the past and has a good relationship with his former colleagues. However, like Ricardo, in order to return Vettel, Ferrari, who has a contract for next year, must convince the release. Vettel has so far not been able to win a title in Ferrari, but has the impression that he is still patient.

Realistically, Red Bull's former drivers are out of stock. What about the connection with Honda? At present, only Takaki Yamamoto (age 31) is eligible for a super license. Due to Naoki Yamamoto's age, F1 experience and no racing experience in Europe, Red Bull will not bet on Naoki Yamamoto. Honda's other drivers, including F2's Shinji Matsushita, are not automatically selected because they don't have enough super license points.

Option 3) Search from outside the Red Bull family <br /> Red Bull may have been doing something since Mark Webber in 2007, that is, looking for drivers from outside the Red Bull family. Earlier this season, Nico Hulkenberg was named as a candidate for the replacement of Pier Guthrie. This year, Hulkenberg was not very active, and Esteban Okon's transfer to Renault has been rumored, and it is unclear whether Hulkenberg will remain in Renault after this season.

The Red Bull family once showed an interest in Land Norris and tried to hire it in Toro Rosso, but McLaren surrounded Norris. Will there be drivers suddenly like Sergio Perez that Ferrari and McLaren have been interested in? Sergio Perez says he wants to remain at the racing point, but the temptation to compete with Red Bull for a car will be difficult to reject. Similarly, Red Bull will be consistent and will have a driver who can do more than seize the opportunity.

If Mercedes leaves Valteri Botas for another year, Esteban Ocon can break the connection with Mercedes. The possibility of appointing is low. But given that it is so highly valued, Red Bull is not against taking risks ...

Roman Grojan is a very strange choice, but the stock has risen since it turned out to persuade the team to return to an Australian car. In fact, we found that the old spec was faster than the upgrade spec. Grojan is very fast when it is doing well. What he needs is an opportunity in a team that provides machines that regularly stand on the podium like Lotus.

Is it possible that Red Bull will try Kevin Magnussen, Gronnan's Haas teammate? Magnussen has been transferred to Haas for renewal and is highly appreciated by the team. Magnussen is still 26 years old and has a lot of time to improve. Over the past few years, this year has shown impressive performance, especially in qualifying.

Finally, Fernando Alonso is not without an option. In the past, Red Bull has admitted having negotiated several times with Alonso. The latest rumors report that they offered to Alonso as the first choice to replace Pierre Guthrie but were refused. Alonso has professed that he will return to Formula 1 if he is a team that can aim for the champion, and that may not be impossible if the current Red Bull Honda is competitive.

There is a shortage of Red Bull reserve drivers, and the option of appointing a former driver is very unlikely. If you have to choose the latter, you won't accept it, but there may actually be signs of hope. But there is no doubt that Red Bull hopes that Option 1, Arbon, will work.
https://f1-gate.com/redbull/f1_51331.html

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Capharol wrote:
21 Aug 2019, 11:49

google translate

Alexander Arbon
Danielle Kubiato
Pierre Guthrie
Land Norris
Roman Grojan
I lol'd hard at these names :lol: :lol:
"Explain the ending to F1 in football terms"
"Hamilton was beating Verstappen 7-0, then the ref decided F%$& rules, next goal wins
while also sending off 4 Hamilton players to make it more interesting"

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Manoah2u wrote:
21 Aug 2019, 12:36
Capharol wrote:
21 Aug 2019, 11:49

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Alexander Arbon
Danielle Kubiato
Pierre Guthrie
Land Norris
Roman Grojan
I lol'd hard at these names :lol: :lol:
yeah me too but i was to lazy to correct them .... and it was funny anyway

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I miss Takuma Sato days, and Kobayashi overtaking like an animal on Suzuka with a Sauber on the Hairpin. I hope soon or later a Japanese driver with Honda and RB

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They need to abolish points system and let teams decide who drives for them.