2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

[El Scorchio]

Can't fully remember, but did the Renault leave first, then immediately drive (not at anything like a good pace) down the escape road in order to avoid leading the pack? That's not on.

Just copied what Vettel did before

Should both get some sort of penalty then, I think! (Got to say I wasn't watching the whole session intently, so I missed Vettel doing it)
Ferrari are never going to get penalised here with a sniff of winning, though so I suppose they can't just penalise one and not the other.

Is there also evidence Vettel was off the track? If so, then......

[NathanOlder]

Yeah, this is really a disgrace.

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.

The problem is that Vettels time was not deleted, since he drove off the track in the same way as Albon did. Albon lost it, Vettel as far as i know will keep it. The whole decision making and rule enforcing is a farce.

There was a replay showing he barely touched the white line with his front right tyre, so technically he was within limits. I think.

Wasn't a good enough camera angle to decide it. Would love to see what the FIA can look at.

[dans79]

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.

I'm sorry, but I can't disagree with this more, as you can't meet a time with a 2 car wide moving roadblock slowing you down.

[proteus]

Rubbish Q3.
Ferrari were the only ones within right to wait out the time as they were already on Pole.
The others though.. that was really silly.

Nobody has the right to wait, on the other hand nobody should take the bullet and be the tow mule....The only solid solution would be to let the cars out in intervals. 10 cars mean 12 second interval per car and instruct them to go for full speed right from the end of the pits. Problem solved.

I think a better solution is to apply a red pitlane light at a certain time before the end of the session. If you haven't exited the pitlane when the red is on, too bad: you aren't allowed to exit anymore. Then let them decide on their own how they want to handle the tow with ample time on the board.

They would still sit an wait for each other, because its almost certain they would leave the pits in last 30 seconds alltogether.

[NathanOlder]

Can't fully remember, but did the Renault leave first, then immediately drive (not at anything like a good pace) down the escape road in order to avoid leading the pack? That's not on.

Just copied what Vettel did before

Should both get some sort of penalty then, I think! (Got to say I wasn't watching the whole session intently, so I missed Vettel doing it)
Ferrari are never going to get penalised here with a sniff of winning, though so I suppose they can't just penalise one and not the other.

Is there also evidence Vettel was off the track? If so, then......

I think more went through there at some point, not just those, I just remember seeing Vettel do it when coming out the pits.

I dont see a problem with it, unless they rejoin unsafe, which they didnt.

[Restomaniac]

So imagine Hulk doesn’t block? They left the pits with 2 minutes to go which means they would still be all over each other even if they go to the line.

Want to make the line? Don’t leave the pits with 2 minutes to go on a 1’20 GP.

Hulkenberg wasn't blocking he went strait at turn 1.

Stroll and Sainz (I believe) turned their cars into a moving road block form the entrance of 2 to part way through turn 3. They are both likely to get a penalty. The only reason anyone made it past the line was because McLaren gave Sainz the get moving call, and that broke the roadblock.

Hulkenberg could also get a penalty, because if memory serves their is a rule about leaving the track limits unnecessarily.

Why are you ignoring the key point? Don’t leave it idiotically late to go out and it’s no problems.
EVERYONE only giving themselves 40 seconds grace? Idiocy from EVERYONE.

[proteus]

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.

I'm sorry, but I can't disagree with this more, as you can't meet a time with a 2 car wide moving roadblock slowing you down.

There were not 2 cars blocking the track for entire track length. They were all playing with their ballsacks the entire time, and only Sainz and Leclerc actually decided to have a go, while Hamilton and others realised at the last corner what a cockup they have produced.

[cooken]

Yeah, this is really a disgrace.

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.

How does that make sense? After Hulk, then Stroll/Sainz crawled through the first chicane it was going to be impossible for at least some to not make it.

They all left the pits with enough time, but the games at the front sealed it.

[MtthsMlw]

Put Kimi on Pole he didn't to anything wrong

[turbof1]

IMO, all who did not cross the line in time should be penalized on the base of putting the sport into disrepute. The FIA clearly stated they'd give penalties for being unnecessarily slow and they actually applied those in F3. If they don't do the same here, they will lose a lot of credibility with the youngsters.

I'm sorry, but I can't disagree with this more, as you can't meet a time with a 2 car wide moving roadblock slowing you down.

It's ok to disagree. I also somewhat understand your viewpoint, but IMO they all are responsible for the mess. They all went out the last moment and they all were doing the "after you! No please, after you!" game. That's on all of them and they should be penalized for it. Only Sainz knew where that was going. EDIT: well, maybe Sainz should also be punished in hindsight.

[matt_b]

There is a picture on social media showing all 4 tyres over the white line but they will brush it under the carpet as its in monza and because the qualifying farce is a nice little smokescreen too.

[cooken]

There is a picture on social media showing all 4 tyres over the white line but they will brush it under the carpet as its in monza and because the qualifying farce is a nice little smokescreen too.

Mind posting it then?

[turbof1]

https://twitter.com/EliGP/status/117033 ... 21031?s=20

So ehh, can we get VAR in here?

[cooken]

Can't decide whether it would be more effective to penalize the whole pack for being party to the farce, or to single someone out.

Problem is on what technical grounds.

[matt_b]

https://twitter.com/EliGP/status/117033 ... 21031?s=20

So ehh, can we get VAR in here?

BINGO!