2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

[MtthsMlw]

Hulk under investigation for leaving the track without justifiable reason in T1

[dans79]

Hulk under investigation for leaving the track without justifiable reason in T1

One point for me!

[hollus]

Once more: By F1 rules there is plenty of space to pass in the right and a bit of space to pass on the left of that pack. The rules might be a bit silly, tough.

[Restomaniac]

FIRST car gets to corner 1 with 1’36 to go on a 1’20 (flat out) lap. Yeah lets blame Hulkenberg

[f1316]

It's ok to disagree. I also somewhat understand your viewpoint, but IMO they all are responsible for the mess. They all went out the last moment and they all were doing the "after you! No please, after you!" game. That's on all of them and they should be penalized for it. Only Sainz knew where that was going. EDIT: well, maybe Sainz should also be punished in hindsight.

When you go out literally doesn't matter, you are allowed to go out and take a slop lap as long as you are above the medium speed. However, you cannot block other drivers.

This is right as hulk decided to go strait, and should probably be a penalty, as he was crawling, and thus left the track unnecessarily. Notice the distance back to Hamilton just exiting the pits.

Why don’t they just say “you have two runs in each session and stewards literally tell them when to leave the pits at defined intervals of, say, 5 secs (perhaps in a randomly generated order), and just forget the whole timing aspect of the session?

[NathanOlder]

Id come out with,

Time deleted, as he is not touching the white line. Cant argue with that. If he's not touching it, he must be over it

[El Scorchio]

If you can see green between the tyres and the white line, which you can, then he's off the track in my opinion.

Zero chance the stewards will have the testicular fortitude to do anything, though. It's really fortunate for them that there's so much other fall out and they can sweep it under the carpet.

[turbof1]

It's ok to disagree. I also somewhat understand your viewpoint, but IMO they all are responsible for the mess. They all went out the last moment and they all were doing the "after you! No please, after you!" game. That's on all of them and they should be penalized for it. Only Sainz knew where that was going. EDIT: well, maybe Sainz should also be punished in hindsight.

When you go out literally doesn't matter, you are allowed to go out and take a slop lap as long as you are above the medium speed. However, you cannot block other drivers.

This is right as hulk decided to go strait, and should probably be a penalty, as he was crawling, and thus left the track unnecessarily. Notice the distance back to Hamilton just exiting the pits.
https://i.ibb.co/0M7vGkk/1.png


Stroll and Sainz have now slowed to a crawl, because they don't want to pass Hulk. Since he was navigating the foam they should have passed him easily.
https://i.ibb.co/mSH976C/2.png


Stroll eventually gives way and now Hulk and Sainz are playing the moving road block. Look at how much Lewis & Ric has closed up on the guys in front.
https://i.ibb.co/W0y9Zjm/3.png

Hulk, Sainz, and Stroll should all get penalties as they literally made it impossible for the guys behind to complete thew lap at a reasonable speed. Even bottas in on thin ice, as exiting turn 2 he slowed way down and tucked in behind stroll.

In regards of how we got to this situation and overall creating a situation where the sport is being brought into disrepute? Yes, I feel all of them are responsible for this due leaving that late the pitlane. This would always have happened: the guys in front going excessively slow in a desperate attempt others would pass and the guys behind just slowing further down to avoid that happening.

And for the record, there was space. Like Hollus said, you could put 2 wheels off road on the tarmac run offs. There were corners you could cut because apparently that was allowed (?). No, the guys behind weren't blocked. They had no intention to get in front. Atleast in my opinion.

[foxmulder_ms]

I dont get you guys. The qualifying is working great for the last 10 years and you guys want to change it all due *one* session. That is not fair. Also this was great. I will remember it forever

[RZS10]

He's in a right hander which means the deformed shape of the tire should help keep the outer edge closer to the line no? But also looks like the camber/roll/etc more than negates that.

Can you imagine being a steward having to review this? I really feel for the guys having to decide about this.

With Hulk's investigation for leaving the track for no justifiable reason one has to give it to Vettel that he at least was clever enough to fake a lockup.

The mere fact that we (or the stewards) have to figure it out with only three camera angles (none giving 100% certainty) shows how poorly they are enforcing the rules ... they could easily place additional cameras there - i had a similar discussion with people after the Madrid - Ajax match where the ball was/wasn't out similar to Vettel's tyre and we were all surprised that they did not have cameras facing the outer lines, even more so when we learned that supposedly some stadiums don't have them for any lines apart from the goal lines... and that with VAR and goal line technology in place.

[falonso81]

About Vettel, it depends from the POV the rules states (if it states) should they look at. The most logical would be viewed from above not from the side. If any part of the tyre is found to be touching the white line then he is in, end of discussion.

[dans79]

And for the record, there was space. Like Hollus said, you could put 2 wheels off road on the tarmac run offs. There were corners you could cut because apparently that was allowed (?). No, the guys behind weren't blocked. They had no intention to get in front. Atleast in my opinion.

As if putting 2 wheels in the grass to try and squeeze by is a good idea. You spin off, and get a penalty for dangerous driving.

[atanatizante]

A letter to whom it may concern at FIA:

Just a simple proposal in order to end this tow farce at low downforce circuits: in Q3 all the drivers which are qualified will go out at 10-12 sec apart but in reverse order from Q2 standings.
The first car must wait at the stoplight at the end of the pits and get started the time lap only when the light gets green. Had someone chose not to go out then it`ll be classified accordingly.

How about that FIA???

[notsofast]

I rather enjoyed this game of chicken.

Q1: everyone comes out at 3:00. Plenty of margin.
Q2: everyone comes out at 2:15. Still enough margin.
Q3: everyone comes out at 2:00. Oops.

Biggest loser was RBR. They should have sent Albon out at 4:00. He had a good chance for P5 without a tow and probably wouldn't have ended up higher than that anyway.

[turbof1]

I dont get you guys. The qualifying is working great for the last 10 years and you guys want to change it all due *one* session. That is not fair. Also this was great. I will remember it forever

Well, I agree it is a funny situation in isolation.

That being said, can you imagine having paid top buck for a ticket, getting to the climax of qualifying with that little in between the top drivers, only to have it end up in an anti-climax? I'd be pissed.