2019 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, Sep 06 - 08

[Capharol]

The FIA has confirmed that Nico Hulkenberg, Carlos Sainz Jr. and Lance Stroll are under investigation for allegedly driving unnecessarily slowly.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/ ... um=twitter

[turbof1]

So Hulkenberg is not going to get punished for cutting the corner as the stewards accepting his explanation that he "was looking too much into his mirrors".

I fail to see how that is a valid excuse.

[dans79]

Part 2 is where you seem to misunderstand. They were not blocking they WANTED others to go past. Nobody wanted to be at the front. It’s a key but fundamental difference.

You are arguing intent versus affect.

The intent of the first 2 to 4 drivers, was to not be the first car in the line. The effect was blocking/preventing the cars further back from being able to make it around the track in an appropriate amount of time.

You get penalized for the effect you don't get off because of your intentions.

[ubuysa]

How on Earth were Lewis, Valtteri, Daniel, and Lance for that matter, supposed to get past Carlos and Nico in this bunch?

It wasn't just that 'everyone was looking for a tow' Carlos and Nico had formed a slow rolling roadblock that nobody could pass safely.

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[MtthsMlw]

Vettel under investigation for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Time is 15:43 that should be at some point in Q2 and not his first and only Q3 lap?

[Capharol]

https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 0402606080

[Sieper]

Why does the Mercedes fake double test start not count as driving unnecesarily slowly? Second time they pulled this stunt this year (Baku). I do t appreciate this kind of behavior, it is all part of what was being displayed today.

[dans79]

Why does the Mercedes fake double test start not count as driving unnecesarily slowly? Second time they pulled this stunt this year (Baku). I do t appreciate this kind of behavior, it is all part of what was being displayed today.

all drivers are allowed to pull to the side and do a test start as long as they don't block the exit of the pits.

[Xwang]

Vettel under investigation for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Time is 15:43 that should be at some point in Q2 and not his first and only Q3 lap?

In Fp3 they investigated and gave penalties in some minutes, the same in qualifying.
If now they give a penality I think it is unfair because Vettel cannot do another lap (how he could have done if they were less lazy and gave him the penality in real time).

[Restomaniac]

Part 2 is where you seem to misunderstand. They were not blocking they WANTED others to go past. Nobody wanted to be at the front. It’s a key but fundamental difference.

You are arguing intent versus affect.

The intent of the first 2 to 4 drivers, was to not be the first car in the line. The effect was blocking/preventing the cars further back from being able to make it around the track in an appropriate amount of time.

You get penalized for the effect you don't get off because of your intentions.

Thats is exactly what happens every time something is written off as a ‘racing incident’ when only 1 car has to retire or is disadvantaged.

[DChemTech]

Part 2 is where you seem to misunderstand. They were not blocking they WANTED others to go past. Nobody wanted to be at the front. It’s a key but fundamental difference.

You are arguing intent versus affect.

The intent of the first 2 to 4 drivers, was to not be the first car in the line. The effect was blocking/preventing the cars further back from being able to make it around the track in an appropriate amount of time.

You get penalized for the effect you don't get off because of your intentions.

But they had room to overtake. The reason they did not qualify was because they chose not to overtake. Not because it was made impossible by those ahead.

[turbof1]

A few things that should need addressing:

-Stroll, Hulkenberg, and Sainz weren't the only ones in the front. The Ferrari's were at certain points also in front and all around the track, you had mixes and matches.

-Although at certain points cars behind really had to go into the brakes to avoid a collision, equally nobody in the back ever did an effort to overtake and attempt to make the cut. There were enough moments this was possible!

IMO, I still remain that this farce is a "team effort" across the board. There were some additional moments in there that probably should be punished extra hard, like Hulkenberg unintentionally brake checking Hamilton, and cutting the corner unnecessarily (because in my eyes not watching the road, but your mirrors, is not a valid excuse).

As always, I can be wrong on this, or the stewards might have a different opinion on this. I do feel that in the bigger picture, all 10 drivers being really greedy for that tow and everybody leaving the track at the last moment because of that, and with the FIA explicitly warning to avoid this, an example has to be set. You can blame a few drivers for individual things they did and probably rightfully so, but again this is a "team effort" and would not have happened if everybody left that late.

[F1NAC]

Vettel under investigation for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Time is 15:43 that should be at some point in Q2 and not his first and only Q3 lap?

only his Q3 lap was on the border with track limits. (source F1tv)

[Phil]

Vettel under investigation for leaving the track and gaining an advantage. Time is 15:43 that should be at some point in Q2 and not his first and only Q3 lap?

Funny, i dont even recall Vettel going off track in Q2. But i do distinctively remember Albon being off track and being investigated for his Q2 lap, yet even though is time was supposedly deleted, he retained his position in the top 10? Or did he do two laps and a slower lap got deleted?

[dans79]

Part 2 is where you seem to misunderstand. They were not blocking they WANTED others to go past. Nobody wanted to be at the front. It’s a key but fundamental difference.

You are arguing intent versus affect.

The intent of the first 2 to 4 drivers, was to not be the first car in the line. The effect was blocking/preventing the cars further back from being able to make it around the track in an appropriate amount of time.

You get penalized for the effect you don't get off because of your intentions.

Thats is exactly what happens every time something is written off as a ‘racing incident’ when only 1 car has to retire or is disadvantaged.

This wasn't the race, it was qualifying.