Changes To Qualifying

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izzy wrote:
16 Sep 2019, 13:48
Perhaps the problem is viewers who don't like change :) .
I'm all for change, if it makes sense. Which here, it does not.
Have you forgotten the early races this season?
Yes, the best team wins. To somehow try and artificially change that just is a mockery of the sport.
I do agree F1 is great at the moment, just it can be even better and starting in basically inverse speed order instead of speed order I'm expecting to be amazing, personally.
It stops being great at the point where it becomes a lotto
If you can say at the end of it the winner wasn't the best then that'll be amazing too :P
That doesn't sound all that amazing if you ask me. The whole thing about a sporting event is that the best man wins.

They might as well just start handing points because 'they tried their best'
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If we put Monaco aside, what are the chances that the best car and driver combo won't win? It just doesn't seem like that will be the norm to me.

I'm sure we could discuss hypotheticals 'till the break of dawn, but i envision scenarios where from the sprint race, we'd end up with the championship contenders somewhere still well inside the top ten, probably starting behind the best of formula 1.5 (mclarens and renaults this year most likely) with the odd buffer between each other.

As things stand, when a top 3 team starts at the back of the grid they still finish in the top six. Now some would have us believe that over the course of what is essentially 2 races they can't fight through the field and we're destined to see Williams drivers win every race?

I could see a few drivers' stock going down if they can't pass efficiently but I can't see the dominant teams not winning the majority of races as they do now. I'm fine with watching them work for it with the outcome not being a foregone conclusion.

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What needs to be changed? I don't understand why everyone seems to think qualifying is broken because of the hilarious end to quali in Monza. I loved it! It's a tactical game of cat and mouse and most of the teams got it wrong. This just adds an extra layer to it which makes it exciting, there is no need to change anything.

Just because it hasn't changed for a while, doesn't mean it does now. If people get penalties for blocking, so be it, if they get penalties for purposefully going slow to get behind someone for a tow, so be it. I really feel like this whole thing has been blown out of proportion. The format currently works quite well, it really isn't the biggest thing that needs attention in the sport currently.
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I didn't think this had anything to do with the Monza quali, didn't the talk of this start some time prior? I could be wrong...

I've long thought it worthwhile to not have every race start with the fastest man in the lead and have some events present the drivers with a different challenge.

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wesley123 wrote:
18 Sep 2019, 07:47

Yes, the best team wins. To somehow try and artificially change that just is a
It stops being great at the point where it becomes a lotto

They might as well just start handing points because 'they tried their best'
Lol okay if you think it's random I surrender :). At some point there'll be a race where Lewis, Max and Charles start at the back and have an overtaking contest and I plan to be GLUED =P~

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Nickel wrote:
18 Sep 2019, 08:45
If we put Monaco aside, what are the chances that the best car and driver combo won't win? It just doesn't seem like that will be the norm to me.

As things stand, when a top 3 team starts at the back of the grid they still finish in the top six. Now some would have us believe that over the course of what is essentially 2 races they can't fight through the field and we're destined to see Williams drivers win every race?

I could see a few drivers' stock going down if they can't pass efficiently but I can't see the dominant teams not winning the majority of races as they do now. I'm fine with watching them work for it with the outcome not being a foregone conclusion.
Yes exactly well said. The best will still be the best, it'll be more obvious if anything.

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I don’t think this is an attempt to fix qualifying. I think it’s an attempt to change the nature of the racing.

It may have been resurrected when the teams contemplated the possible consequences of the 2021 regulations. It is possible that they will lead to even more processional races. Right now we get the most interesting races at the front when the cars are not sorted in qualifying by their race pace potential. This happens because of design differences, or errors, or when a poor start or grid penalty puts a car and driver further down the grid. With the coming regulations the misplaced cars will be able to follow more closely without damaging their tyres and slip by more easily than now. Shortly after the first pot stops they’ll all be sorted into race pace order and will cruise to the end.
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mmm maybe a sprint race (reverse WDC grid) to dertime a weight penatly for the qualify for a normal sunday race?

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Seems all the top drivers think reverse grid races are a stupid idea...

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El Scorchio wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 22:15
Seems all the top drivers think reverse grid races are a stupid idea...
yes i noticed that too. But, in their place, would you rather start a race at the back or the front?

So they aren't exactly impartial are they :mrgreen:

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izzy wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 23:11
El Scorchio wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 22:15
Seems all the top drivers think reverse grid races are a stupid idea...
yes i noticed that too. But, in their place, would you rather start a race at the back or the front?

So they aren't exactly impartial are they :mrgreen:
But in that case, would it not be that Half of them find it stupid?
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Big Tea wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 23:53
But in that case, would it not be that Half of them find it stupid?
Racing drivers. So yes but they probably ALL think they're top drivers and things are gonna get better :lol:

But seriously I think it's only Seb and Lewis at this point

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Just let the F1 drivers have an extra race on the monday after Abu Dhabi, using the F2 cars. all drivers equal cars. The drivers get to pick their car in order of finishing the F1 Championship.

There's no need to mess with Qualy or add a sprint race, its purely another attempt to stop Lewis.
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izzy wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 08:19
Big Tea wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 23:53
But in that case, would it not be that Half of them find it stupid?
Racing drivers. So yes but they probably ALL think they're top drivers and things are gonna get better :lol:

But seriously I think it's only Seb and Lewis at this point
Hamilton, Vettel, Leclerc and Verstappen were the ones quoted in the article I read. Also Toto Wolff. Would be interesting to hear what the rest of the grid think about it too.

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El Scorchio wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 11:39
izzy wrote:
22 Sep 2019, 08:19
Big Tea wrote:
21 Sep 2019, 23:53
But in that case, would it not be that Half of them find it stupid?
Racing drivers. So yes but they probably ALL think they're top drivers and things are gonna get better :lol:

But seriously I think it's only Seb and Lewis at this point
Hamilton, Vettel, Leclerc and Verstappen were the ones quoted in the article I read. Also Toto Wolff. Would be interesting to hear what the rest of the grid think about it too.
Oh okay, yes it would be interesting. Im just being a selfish consumer have to confess! excitement 8)