2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

Mercedes is the engine to have in the midfield. It's the cheapest and has the best reliability. Engine penalties are rare if you have an AMG in the back.

But, from all the teams on the grid, McLaren never had a good engine swap... they always seem to loose a season.

2020 might also be a bit less easy now, with Renault already knowing that data could benefit Mercedes, so expect some RedBull-ish back and forth during next year.

It is inaccurate to say that they haven’t had a good engine swap... Going to Honda the problem wasn’t on the swap, the problem was with the Honda PU been unreliable and down on power compared to the rest of the field... Going from Honda to Renault, besides an issue with heat pockets under the covers (which was solved during testing), the problem was with the chassis and not the engine swap.

There is no reason why they should struggle just because they are swapping engines... And with more than a year to work on it, the integration will be part of their program from the beginning.


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[McMika98]

The point is not so much of convergence but limit of engine concept. Merc is now same power as Honda and Renault if not less. They have stagnated for past two years and at a dead end. Renault can find more power but also the turbo at the back has less losses.

[Jambier]

Mercedes is the engine to have in the midfield. It's the cheapest and has the best reliability. Engine penalties are rare if you have an AMG in the back.

But, from all the teams on the grid, McLaren never had a good engine swap... they always seem to loose a season.

2020 might also be a bit less easy now, with Renault already knowing that data could benefit Mercedes, so expect some RedBull-ish back and forth during next year.

It is inaccurate to say that they haven’t had a good engine swap... Going to Honda the problem wasn’t on the swap, the problem was with the Honda PU been unreliable and down on power compared to the rest of the field... Going from Honda to Renault, besides an issue with heat pockets under the covers (which was solved during testing), the problem was with the chassis and not the engine swap.

There is no reason why they should struggle just because they are swapping engines... And with more than a year to work on it, the integration will be part of their program from the beginning.


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And switch to Renault was a VERY GOOD choice.

Not for the engine itself, but it opened eyes of the team, they realize the poor chassis they had, they start to reorganize and we see this year that it brings good progress

[SmallSoldier]

The point is not so much of convergence but limit of engine concept. Merc is now same power as Honda and Renault if not less. They have stagnated for past two years and at a dead end. Renault can find more power but also the turbo at the back has less losses.

Even though I do believe that the engines are pretty close to each other, I still believe that Mercedes has more power than both Renault and Honda... There isn’t data out there to show otherwise.


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[SmallSoldier]

Mercedes is the engine to have in the midfield. It's the cheapest and has the best reliability. Engine penalties are rare if you have an AMG in the back.

But, from all the teams on the grid, McLaren never had a good engine swap... they always seem to loose a season.

2020 might also be a bit less easy now, with Renault already knowing that data could benefit Mercedes, so expect some RedBull-ish back and forth during next year.

It is inaccurate to say that they haven’t had a good engine swap... Going to Honda the problem wasn’t on the swap, the problem was with the Honda PU been unreliable and down on power compared to the rest of the field... Going from Honda to Renault, besides an issue with heat pockets under the covers (which was solved during testing), the problem was with the chassis and not the engine swap.

There is no reason why they should struggle just because they are swapping engines... And with more than a year to work on it, the integration will be part of their program from the beginning.


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And switch to Renault was a VERY GOOD choice.

Not for the engine itself, but it opened eyes of the team, they realize the poor chassis they had, they start to reorganize and we see this year that it brings good progress

The one mistake that most make is assume that the 2018 chassis issues were dragged from 2017 (which was actually a very good car)... The issues with the 2018 car were unrelated to the 2017 car and the timing was pretty poor with the change to Renault since it gave the Honda fans an excuse to say that it wasn’t all Honda’s fault when looking at the lack of performance in previous years.

But yes, the switch to Renault was good for the team... Allowed them to focus on their issues, not only from a chassis perspective, but most important in terms of the structure... The MCL33, was probably the best thing that could have happened to Mclaren... It force them to shuffle their management team and organization and was the catalyst for the hiring of individuals such as Seidl and Key and in the long term it could have also help to get a future start in Norris in the program early enough (forcing Alonso’s decision to leave F1 and opening the door for Norris and Sainz).


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[SmallSoldier]

What a difference a year makes!!!

https://twitter.com/lightsoutf1blog/sta ... 89216?s=21


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[McL-H]

That's illegal now.

It was illegal then too.

There were loopholes then, not anymore, since 2018.

Oh, they did? I wasn’t aware. Thanks.

[Juzh]

sainz' q3 lap 1.33.289 (P6)

https://streamable.com/bdeof

[diffuser]

Mercedes is the engine to have in the midfield. It's the cheapest and has the best reliability. Engine penalties are rare if you have an AMG in the back.

But, from all the teams on the grid, McLaren never had a good engine swap... they always seem to loose a season.

2020 might also be a bit less easy now, with Renault already knowing that data could benefit Mercedes, so expect some RedBull-ish back and forth during next year.

It is inaccurate to say that they haven’t had a good engine swap... Going to Honda the problem wasn’t on the swap, the problem was with the Honda PU been unreliable and down on power compared to the rest of the field... Going from Honda to Renault, besides an issue with heat pockets under the covers (which was solved during testing), the problem was with the chassis and not the engine swap.

There is no reason why they should struggle just because they are swapping engines... And with more than a year to work on it, the integration will be part of their program from the beginning.


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And switch to Renault was a VERY GOOD choice.

Not for the engine itself, but it opened eyes of the team, they realize the poor chassis they had, they start to reorganize and we see this year that it brings good progress

They tend to have fitting problems ...like hydraulics issues. They still had some this year.

[SmallSoldier]

sainz' q3 lap 1.33.289 (P6)

https://streamable.com/bdeof

Thanks!


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[dr_cooke]

sainz' q3 lap 1.33.289 (P6)

https://streamable.com/bdeof
https://streamable.com/bdeof

Thanks for that. Reasonably stable, isn’t it?

[kfrantzios]

"German automobile giant Daimler has abandoned the development of internal combustion engines. From now on, electric vehicles will take precedence for the brand with ICEs being put on the backburner. According to a report published in a German motoring magazine Auto Motor und Sport, Daimler's development chief, Markus Schaefer said that the brand's main focus will now be on electrification, in the arena of electric powertrains as well as batteries. The resources, which are currently used in the development of internal combustion engines will be directed accordingly."
Source AMuS.

Will that affect F1? Is there any point for a works team? They could just remain as engine supplier, capitalizing on the massive R&D they conducted so far. Do they want to have the best engine if they are only engine suppliers? Probably yes. If they don't, could they blame their customer chassis for not reaching the superiority of their works team? Probably yes.

[NL_Fer]

They are aiming for a development freeze in F1 also.

[321apex]

"German automobile giant Daimler has abandoned the development of internal combustion engines. From now on, electric vehicles will take precedence for the brand with ICEs being put on the backburner. According to a report published in a German motoring magazine Auto Motor und Sport, Daimler's development chief, Markus Schaefer said that the brand's main focus will now be on electrification, in the arena of electric powertrains as well as batteries. The resources, which are currently used in the development of internal combustion engines will be directed accordingly."
Source AMuS.

Will that affect F1? Is there any point for a works team? They could just remain as engine supplier, capitalizing on the massive R&D they conducted so far. Do they want to have the best engine if they are only engine suppliers? Probably yes. If they don't, could they blame their customer chassis for not reaching the superiority of their works team? Probably yes.

More politics & ideology in EV than economic reality and/or common sense. On the basis of cost, charging time and lack of infrastructure, the EV is just a footnote. Hybrid tech. will rule for a long time to come and that means ICE is still nesessary. Governments world wide pocket a lot of cash from taxing fossil fuels, this revenue pays for a lot of stuff in society. The EV has no propulsion road tax imposed on it anywhere, rather it enjoys taxpayer subsidy on a large scale and is still unviable. How long will this game be played until ALL realize that we were all lied to and CO2 is not the problem, ....and more CO2 is better than less CO2?

[diffuser]

The point is not so much of convergence but limit of engine concept. Merc is now same power as Honda and Renault if not less. They have stagnated for past two years and at a dead end. Renault can find more power but also the turbo at the back has less losses.

Even though I do believe that the engines are pretty close to each other, I still believe that Mercedes has more power than both Renault and Honda... There isn’t data out there to show otherwise.


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I don't know either but Max suggested that the Honda PU was costing then 6 tenths in the straights.