2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Bill]

C mon you don't analyze gps data immediately after you hop from car and start talking to the media. Rbr treats Honda like they did to Renault even the way they structure their pu changes we have a great chassis you got a subpar pu kind of mentality The leopard never changes in spot just old habits

[Juzh]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

It’s not about only the sector time... It’s the amount of time gain/lost on every straight... RBR recovers a portion of that 1 second in braking zones and turns... They have the GPS and Telemetry data to determine the amount of time lost.


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As I already said, if you only look at the videos and take some basic reference points, you can see verstappen loses around 11 frames on the straigths in the first sector alone, that's 0.44s.

[Jaisonas]

With Ferrari's speed in mind, i think Honda need to start shifting focus on the electronics at this point. Their ICE has matured greatly, it may as well be the strongest there, but they clearly suck at energy deployment and management.

[SmallSoldier]

C mon you don't analyze gps data immediately after you hop from car and start talking to the media. Rbr treats Honda like they did to Renault even the way they structure their pu changes we have a great chassis you got a subpar pu kind of mentality The leopard never changes in spot just old habits

What do you think they do in between runs? The team not only analyses the data in real time, they debrief the drivers and show them where they win and lose time at a “mini sector” basis... They know exactly how much time they win and lose... The only time where they use their best “guess” is during practice sessions since they don’t know the exact program of their competitors... But in Qualy, they know exactly what is happening.


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[SmallSoldier]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

It’s not about only the sector time... It’s the amount of time gain/lost on every straight... RBR recovers a portion of that 1 second in braking zones and turns... They have the GPS and Telemetry data to determine the amount of time lost.


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As I already said, if you only look at the videos and take some basic reference points, you can see verstappen loses around 11 frames on the straigths in the first sector alone, that's 0.44s.

Exactly... and they probably lose in every single straight... Adding to the 0.8-1sec reference the drivers are giving.


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[Bill]

Honda is loosing only 0.2 tenth in one straight most track has also one straight Sochi has two no need to be dramatic Honda needs to move world these and that . This deficit can be address with a fuel upgrade in japan . Redbull doesn't have the fastest car either they didn't in Singapore so why do they go under the radar when ever fans are not happy.

[Bill]

Amid all the noise people overlook that Redbull was actually faster than Mercedes in power terms so Honda are are set to be the second best pu and people are still bitching

[SmallSoldier]

Honda is loosing only 0.2 tenth in one straight most track has also one straight Sochi has two no need to be dramatic Honda needs to move world these and that . This deficit can be address with a fuel upgrade in japan . Redbull doesn't have the fastest car either they didn't in Singapore so why do they go under the radar when ever fans are not happy.

No one is bashing Honda, just stating the facts... Backed by the comments from the drivers that have access to the information.

The fact that Honda is behind Ferrari in regards to power shouldn’t come as a surprise.


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[Marti_EF3]

They've work to do on both sides, PU and chasis. How many races without any relevant upgrade like Ferrari did?? They are planning any major upgrade for Suzuka maybe?? Or they switched focus to 2020 after the summer break??

[etusch]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

It’s not about only the sector time... It’s the amount of time gain/lost on every straight... RBR recovers a portion of that 1 second in braking zones and turns... They have the GPS and Telemetry data to determine the amount of time lost.


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It is not true. Only Mercedes won time in the corners. I did not see Red Bull being faster at the apex or exit, I do not have telemetry to see exactly if they were faster at braking, but I doubt it. 1 second is just a silly fantasy.

If Mercedes loose time on straights to ferrari, Honda also may loose as they are in condition need to catch rivals. If Honda is same level or almost same level with Mercedes as their target pu, it is an achieved target which is wonderful. I think this is what happening this season and especially last part of it.
In the other hand Mercedes is faster than ferrari in the race and was faster even in monza and spa. This shows us what is lost/gained by engine and what is lost/gained by chassis. Maybe numbers different in the redbul compared to Mercedes but at the end Mercedes runing towards wdc and wcc.

[ME4ME]

I also think that Ferrari's race pace is not as impressive as their qualifying pace, and Red Bull and Mercedes equal them on sundays. Yet by then the harm is already done and the Ferrari drivers can control the race.

I'm keen to see Honda and Mobil1's true performance in Japan. Even now that the benchmark has shifted, if they can truly properly and reliabily match Mercedes than that is a huge achievement.

Red Bull has work to do. Lately all ambitions of beating Ferrari to 2nd in the WCC or even Verstappen closing in on Hamilton have been crushed. It also looks very unlikely that they'll achieve Marko's targetet 5 wins. They're not bad but also not good enough to set high targets. 2019 you can say is a building year and 2020 is when the team aims for the championship, yet at the moment I don't really see how they're going to do that even with a big effort over the winter.

The 2nd driver is also a major predicament. Both Gasly and Albon have been struggeling, I more and more believe that the RB15 is a bit of a diva, unstable in certain conditions. Who on earth are they going to put in that second seat, it's not like Hulkenberg is any better than Gasly or Albon based on those drivers performances in the Toro Rosso. My bet is on Gasly, but we'll see..

[Sieper]

Albon has a difficult weekend but I think he has been promising. That lap that he bottled it he was only .7 down and sector 3 still to come (at least to finish).

He has made Some Nice overtakes, he was quickest of all in 1 mini sector in Singapore (never raced there before). He seems intelligent.

[hasika]

http://f1sokuho.mopita.com/pc/free/inde ... 90&tt=1170

Tanabe's interview
·Kvyt's PU issue is ICE area,its the first time they had a issue with ICE this year.
·They will sent it to HRD Sakura to a further investigation.As there is no trouble with the other cars's Spec4,and Kvyt's Spec4 is just introduced this week so he think its not a design problem.
·They will check if Albon's PU had damage or not,so Albon will change to the previous Spec4 for race.

http://f1sokuho.mopita.com/pc/free/inde ... pics_type=

The article said RedBull may ran high downforce setting to have a better tyre life in race.The top speed was 16kph down compared to the second Free Practice.Ferrari was 5kph down.Well i dont have the data so i think its just a guess?

[Alexf1]

http://f1sokuho.mopita.com/pc/free/inde ... 90&tt=1170

Tanabe's interview
·Kvyt's PU issue is ICE area,its the first time they had a issue with ICE this year.
·They will sent it to HRD Sakura to a further investigation.As there is no trouble with the other cars's Spec4,and Kvyt's Spec4 is just introduced this week so he think its not a design problem.
·They will check if Albon's PU had damage or not,so Albon will change to the previous Spec4 for race.

http://f1sokuho.mopita.com/pc/free/inde ... pics_type=

The article said RedBull may ran high downforce setting to have a better tyre life in race.The top speed was 16kph down compared to the second Free Practice.Ferrari was 5kph down.Well i dont have the data so i think its just a guess?

Thanks for sharing and the summary. Max top speed in FP2 was due to a slipstream of Kimi who also had DRS open.

[Datco]

Ferrari, is not only good on the straights because of PU, they also have very slippery low drag car. This is something Redbull and Honda need to catch up on. They have done well in the development war at times, its just that Ferrari and Merc were better more often.