2019 Russian Grand Prix - Sochi Autodrom, 27 - 29 September

[digitalrurouni]

Ferrari should just take a back seat and let their drivers race. They are not really in the fight for the WDC or the WCC so they should focus on their car and focus on allowing their drivers to get the most out of the car in preparation for 2020. Ugh.

[ENGINE TUNER]

"BUT this is how Seb sees it:"

Well that's the problem, Seb is without an ounce of credibility.

Example 1
https://youtu.be/CE8oMRQAeak
Example 2
https://youtu.be/hyY-Ov0KDQo

[wickedz50]

The driver of the day votes came from all the Lewis fans, afterall Seb handed the win to Lewis and Toto on a silver ware!!!

Seriously, how do you screw up the silver platter idiom?

Sorry my bad,

[KeiKo403]

With Vettel not giving P1 back on track as instructed (and as per apparent pre-agreement) could this have anything to do with his Multi-21 episode in RBR back in the day?

From the 2013 Malaysian GP Wiki
"Vettel apologised to the employees of the Red Bull team and Webber for ignoring the order to hold position; he was neither punished or reprimanded by Red Bull due to his lawyers threatening legal action over the team order and recanted the apology three weeks later."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Malaysian_Grand_Prix

Did RBR have some contractual obligation to let Vettel win/finish as high as possible? If so, could Ferrari have a similar kind of detail in their Vettel contract?

[izzy]

"BUT this is how Seb sees it:"

Well that's the problem, Seb is without an ounce of credibility.

Example 1
https://youtu.be/CE8oMRQAeak
Example 2
https://youtu.be/hyY-Ov0KDQo

i had to lol

[digitalrurouni]

"BUT this is how Seb sees it:"

Well that's the problem, Seb is without an ounce of credibility.

Example 1
https://youtu.be/CE8oMRQAeak
Example 2
https://youtu.be/hyY-Ov0KDQo

i had to lol

lol same here. Dang!

[selvam_e2002]

Well that's the problem, Seb is without an ounce of credibility.

Example 1
https://youtu.be/CE8oMRQAeak
Example 2
https://youtu.be/hyY-Ov0KDQo

i had to lol

lol same here. Dang!

Seb got this attitude after racing with RB after 4 years but Lecrec got similar attitude in two year. So, don't judge the driver with their on track incident.

All the F1 drivers have this altitude because they have to win. Don't put your money on Lecrec. wait and watch his attitude in coming races.

Lecrec is fast because team support and he is not going for WDC this year. Once he got number 1 status in Ferrari and racing for WDC then he will feel the pressure. Then you will see true Lecrec. Just be calm and watch his progress.

Note: If I want to put Youtube video for similar to Vettel there are lot more. Like Alonso Vs Ham, Ham vs Ros etc.

[Restomaniac]

i had to lol

lol same here. Dang!

Seb got this attitude after racing with RB after 4 years but Lecrec got similar attitude in two year. So, don't judge the driver with their on track incident.

All the F1 drivers have this altitude because they have to win. Don't put your money on Lecrec. wait and watch his attitude in coming races.

Lecrec is fast because team support and he is not going for WDC this year. Once he got number 1 status in Ferrari and racing for WDC then he will feel the pressure. Then you will see true Lecrec. Just be calm and watch his progress.

Note: If I want to put Youtube video for similar to Vettel there are lot more. Like Alonso Vs Ham, Ham vs Ros etc.

Erm why bring Hamilton into this?
He neither drives for Ferrari nor is called Vettel or LeClerc.

[NL_Fer]

With Vettel not giving P1 back on track as instructed (and as per apparent pre-agreement) could this have anything to do with his Multi-21 episode in RBR back in the day?

From the 2013 Malaysian GP Wiki
"Vettel apologised to the employees of the Red Bull team and Webber for ignoring the order to hold position; he was neither punished or reprimanded by Red Bull due to his lawyers threatening legal action over the team order and recanted the apology three weeks later."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Malaysian_Grand_Prix

Did RBR have some contractual obligation to let Vettel win/finish as high as possible? If so, could Ferrari have a similar kind of detail in their Vettel contract?

Maybe this wasn’t agreed before the race.

Maybe the team said: Leclerc to keep left and give Vettel the tow instead of Hamilton. Ferrari has to be 1-2 in the first corner.

[NathanOlder]

Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.

[Zarathustra]

fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.

You’re absolutely ‘spot on’- so now what..?

[lh13]

Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.

All drivers disobey team orders once in a while, unless they are clear number two. I don't know why you are trying to make a big deal out of it, especially considering that you are not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care.

[NL_Fer]

Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.

I suspect half of the grid would act the same.

[aral]

It seems impossible for some, to discuss a race sensibility without resorting to fanboy tit for tat. I have removed some posts (probably others should also be put in the rubbish bin) and would ask you to cease this pointless disagreements.

[Andres125sx]

Doesn't really matter now does it.
fact remains Vettel was asked by his team to do something he didn't.

All drivers disobey team orders once in a while, unless they are clear number two. I don't know why you are trying to make a big deal out of it, especially considering that you are not a Ferrari fan, so you shouldn't care.

So only Ferrari fans can express their opinions about Ferrari drivers? Sorry mate, but nope

Many drivers disobey TOs, true, but all of them get severe beating for it, nothing weird here, only that this time you care more than usually because it´s Vettel