2019 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 25-27 October

[henry]

. A tap of the brake pedal would probably be enough to show recognition of the event/yellow flag.

It would be the act of a bad human being. This is life or death stuff, not just for drivers but marshals and spectators. Whenever drivers see waved yellows they need to lower the risk level at which they are driving to increase their control and be able to minimise risk to others. A token brake tap doesn’t cut it.

[LM10]

. A tap of the brake pedal would probably be enough to show recognition of the event/yellow flag.

It would be the act of a bad human being. This is life or death stuff, not just for drivers but marshals and spectators. Whenever drivers see waved yellows they need to lower the risk level at which they are driving to increase their control and be able to minimise risk to others. A token brake tap doesn’t cut it.

Agree, plus, a tap of the brake pedal normally shouldn’t be enough to avoid a penalty either. In the regulations it says that you need to reduce speed significantly.

[notsofast]

From a safety perspective, perhaps it is better to take the decision away from the driver. In qualifying, delete the lap time of any driver who passes a yellow flag.

[hollus]

He never saw double waved yellows.
He was only shown a single waved yellow.

Are we seriously discussing this? Double waved yellows and he didn’t slow down. Clear penalty. Double yellows mean be ready to stop the car at any time. Max could not have known what was in front of him. A car could have been on the track. Marshals or a driver could be running around.

What else should the FIA do? Delete his laptime? That is no penalty as the lap is ruined anyways once double yellows are shown.

From my point of view he got lucky with only three places. Especially in Mexico where there is a beautiful tow down to turn 1.

[Just_a_fan]

. A tap of the brake pedal would probably be enough to show recognition of the event/yellow flag.

It would be the act of a bad human being. This is life or death stuff, not just for drivers but marshals and spectators. Whenever drivers see waved yellows they need to lower the risk level at which they are driving to increase their control and be able to minimise risk to others. A token brake tap doesn’t cut it.

Being on the brake pedal gives more chance of reducing speed quickly than lifting the throttle slightly - which is what normally happens. A throttle lift doesn't do any more for safety than a brief brake application does. I'd bet a half second of brake application slows a car more than a second of throttle lift does, especially in a slowish section.

[saviour stivala]

Watch a video of a yellow flag being waved from the left side of the track by marshal at Verstappen while Bottas wreck lays ahead. “juanjo saez f1 @ juanjosaezf1” scroll down the site.

[Wass85]

They could easily introduce a system that cuts out the throttle whenever a yellow flag is displayed. The forefront of technology yet so frustratingly lacking common sense in most departments.

[ubuysa]

Max to crash out all five cars!

In all seriousness, Max will be keen to challenge hard for the win as some sort of revenge for the loss of pole. I hope that Lewis understands that he doesn't need to race Max and lets him go. My worry is that if Lewis isn't careful Max may take them both out allowing Valtteri to reduce Lewis's lead substantially.

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[henry]

. A tap of the brake pedal would probably be enough to show recognition of the event/yellow flag.

It would be the act of a bad human being. This is life or death stuff, not just for drivers but marshals and spectators. Whenever drivers see waved yellows they need to lower the risk level at which they are driving to increase their control and be able to minimise risk to others. A token brake tap doesn’t cut it.

Being on the brake pedal gives more chance of reducing speed quickly than lifting the throttle slightly - which is what normally happens. A throttle lift doesn't do any more for safety than a brief brake application does. I'd bet a half second of brake application slows a car more than a second of throttle lift does, especially in a slowish section.

I agree entirely. But that’s not what you said, you were implying a token gesture would be enough, “show recognition” is not the same as “take preparatory action” such as you’re now describing.
I’m not picking on you personally. This kind of language and thinking is constantly exhibited by the commentators. “He raised his hand to say he’d seen it” is a favourite in the same vein.

[Fnatic1]

Can anybody explain the following?

1) Why did the FIA not bring out the red flag? In FP1, Stroll hit the wall and immediately (2 sec later) the session was stopped. Bottas has a massive accident and there’s just a yellow flag being waved. In my opinion the FIA should be blamed primarily.

2) Why could Rosberg maintain his pole position in Hungary 2016? What’s the difference in these two cases?

[Jolle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWGNhG0GNw

Looks like the yellow lights/boards weren't switched on and no info on the steering wheel, just a single flag.

But.... Verstappen did admit that he saw the crashed car. And a yellow flag is a yellow flag.

three place grid drop looks like a fitting punishment.

[Mansell89]

Away from the Verstappen debate, are we in for a mixed conditions today looking at the forecast?

[Just_a_fan]

They could easily introduce a system that cuts out the throttle whenever a yellow flag is displayed. The forefront of technology yet so frustratingly lacking common sense in most departments.

Fast corner in challenging conditions and the throttle cuts without the driver being aware/ready for it? That'll be cars spinning in to the accident then...

[sosic2121]

Verstappen's attitude makes him the most arrogant and unlikeable driver on the grid. That's my opinion, at least.
No one tells him not to be an aggressive driver, but seeing such a big collision on the side and yellow flags, but still not slowing down AND talking crap after the session, is not really gentleman-like.

Raikonnen did exactly the same when Max had broken down with engine problems in Spa a few years back. Even gave the same comments afterwards.

But Yes, this needs to change.

It was nowhere near exactly the same.
-it was on the straight
-by the time he got there, there was no car on the track
-he got penalised.

[Sieper]

Verstappen's attitude makes him the most arrogant and unlikeable driver on the grid. That's my opinion, at least.
No one tells him not to be an aggressive driver, but seeing such a big collision on the side and yellow flags, but still not slowing down AND talking crap after the session, is not really gentleman-like.

Raikonnen did exactly the same when Max had broken down with engine problems in Spa a few years back. Even gave the same comments afterwards.

But Yes, this needs to change.

It was nowhere near exactly the same.
-it was on the straight
-by the time he got there, there was no car on the track
-he got penalised.

Kimi under his own admission decided to continue on as he felt it was safe enough. He also made that statement when asked.