2019 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 25-27 October

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Jolle
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Re: 2019 Mexican Grand Prix - Autódromo Hermanos Rodríguez, 25-27 October

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No reason to change. The whole point of the flag system is that you, as a driver, doesn’t have to rely on just your own eyes. A blind corner is safe, because there is a warning system in place. Any yellow flag means slow down, simple. In the case of qualifying, this means you won’t be able to set your best time.

If we allow drivers to interpret if the track is safe or not, with a yellow flag, we are asking for problems.

Good call from the stewards to penalise Verstappen.

izzy
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Mansell89 wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 13:16
Away from the Verstappen debate, are we in for a mixed conditions today looking at the forecast?
Max says there could be showers :lol:

seriously let's hope! about 1mm, it says here. cool and not much wind, but some sun? The track could stay wet for a long time, or heat up quickly. Chaos. Or if not it'll be a cruising gently procession, whoever's left after T3

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Jolle wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 13:06
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWGNhG0GNw

Looks like the yellow lights/boards weren't switched on and no info on the steering wheel, just a single flag.

But.... Verstappen did admit that he saw the crashed car. And a yellow flag is a yellow flag.

three place grid drop looks like a fitting punishment.
Vettel infront managed to slow down as well. Maybe, if no driver had slowed down, there would have been more room for discussion as to which extent yellow flags weren't visible.

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As proven in qually, this race will be 100% about tire,tyres, tires. Hopefully it's not decided in the first corners by the super crash happy cousins Vettel and Verstappen . Any updates on the weather for the race.

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Lewis apparently also failed to slow down.

https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/2793 ... mexican-gp

But it went by for him to quick to realise what happened. I have that too sometimes. Or in fact often. Heck I sometimes arrive at work not even realising I just drove there.

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Image

If this turns out to be a 2 stopper we might see some variation.

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Does anyone know how much Hamilton and/or Bottas were up on their second laps in Q3 compared with their first? They had both improved in the first two sectors, so I am wondering if they matched their sector 3 from the first run, what their optimum lap time could have been? Of course there's a chance they would have improved in sector 3 too.

I'd be interested to know if they would have pipped the Ferrari's and given Verstappen a run. I'm also guessing Vettel would have improved a fair bit too?

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I wonder how, in these kinds of situations, the lines of communication is within RedBull. They have about 60 guys watching every bit of action on track, aiding car and driver. I can imagine drivers rely solely on their engineers in these cases (when there aren’t flashy yellow lights on track). Maybe that’s why Verstappen was not holding back in his comments about not slowing down. As he felt it wasn’t his mistake.

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tranquility2k4 wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 15:48
Does anyone know how much Hamilton and/or Bottas were up on their second laps in Q3 compared with their first? They had both improved in the first two sectors, so I am wondering if they matched their sector 3 from the first run, what their optimum lap time could have been? Of course there's a chance they would have improved in sector 3 too.

I'd be interested to know if they would have pipped the Ferrari's and given Verstappen a run. I'm also guessing Vettel would have improved a fair bit too?
I assumed Hamilton lifted for Bottas but apparently not so his lap was way off anyway.

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Jolle wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 15:50
Maybe that’s why Verstappen was not holding back in his comments about not slowing down. As he felt it wasn’t his mistake.
One of the things one learns as one matures is to own your mistakes. Max is still a young man, in an environment that wants what he can bring - raw speed - but doesn't seem to want to give him what he needs - maturity. Which is a shame.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.

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Max is just playing 4D chess with everyone.

He knows he'd be chewed up by the Ferraris at the start. So when he saw Bottas had crashed and the yellows were out, he realised he'd actually keep his pole and decided to get a slam dunk penalty. Unfortunately that didn't happen, so he had to make it happen with some well thought out and strategic words.

He's actually a genius.

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3jawchuck wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 16:12
Max is just playing 4D chess with everyone.

He knows he'd be chewed up by the Ferraris at the start. So when he saw Bottas had crashed and the yellows were out, he realised he'd actually keep his pole and decided to get a slam dunk penalty. Unfortunately that didn't happen, so he had to make it happen with some well thought out and strategic words.

He's actually a genius.
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Jolle wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 11:31
stupid penalty from Verstappen, probably had his thoughts on Rosberg not slowing down while Alonso was parked across the track a couple of years ago. Probably wasn't sure about his pole and took the risk. Penalty deserved. But, I do like that Verstappen didn't try to make up stories. Just straight up: I didn't lift, I saw the accident.
Rosberg slowed down. He was 17kph slower.
If that was enough is another question...

izzy
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Sevach wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 15:44
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EH42euyUYAA ... name=small

If this turns out to be a 2 stopper we might see some variation.
thanks. if it's damp a new C4 might not be a bad bet, later in the race

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yelistener wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 11:52
Juzh wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 11:40


P04 hamilton q3 1.15.262
https://streamable.com/6h6cp
https://streamable.com/6h6cp
Wait, Lewis didn't slow down after Bottas' crash either, but he didn't get a penalty. Is it because they hadn't put out the yellow flag yet, or what?
Ham was too near, just 3`` or 4`` on track.. not enough time for flags. But he also lifted a bit i think.
He`s a fairplayer on safety, imo