Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

All that has to do with the power train, gearbox, clutch, fuels and lubricants, etc. Generally the mechanical side of Formula One.
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Sierra117 wrote:
31 Oct 2019, 20:30
Ten bucks says it's been the drinks bottle all along. You don't need the drink during qualifying, so fill it up with some super forbidden oil or fluid, attach it to a conduit leading to ICE and voila you have modalita party that goes away on Sunday!
Do you mean Evaporate the "drinks" through the holes at the top of the driver helmet so that it is sucked into the intake as additional fuel?

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Oct 2019, 20:40
Sierra117 wrote:
31 Oct 2019, 20:30
Ten bucks says it's been the drinks bottle all along. You don't need the drink during qualifying, so fill it up with some super forbidden oil or fluid, attach it to a conduit leading to ICE and voila you have modalita party that goes away on Sunday!
Do you mean Evaporate the "drinks" through the holes at the top of the driver helmet so that it is sucked into the intake as additional fuel?

Genius!
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I almost spill my drink all over it. Ha ha
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PlatinumZealot wrote:
31 Oct 2019, 20:40
Sierra117 wrote:
31 Oct 2019, 20:30
Ten bucks says it's been the drinks bottle all along. You don't need the drink during qualifying, so fill it up with some super forbidden oil or fluid, attach it to a conduit leading to ICE and voila you have modalita party that goes away on Sunday!
Do you mean Evaporate the "drinks" through the holes at the top of the driver helmet so that it is sucked into the intake as additional fuel?

Genius!

The feed is vacuum powered from the intake manifold, as were ancient wipers.
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But there is no vacuum in the intake manifold. :D

I'm with the spray from the top of the driver's helmet - genius!!!
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I was initially thinking something in the suit leading to a port in the seat or side of cockpit perhaps but yes the evaporation from helmet is genius!!!

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Now AMuS is claiming that the Ferrari PU was not examined by the FIA post-Mexico:

Rumours that the FIA had investigated the Ferrari engine for alleged illegal tricks after the Mexico GP have turned out to be false.

Asking the FIA, they said: "There was no reason to investigate the Ferrari engine. Only when a protest is filed will we act."

via the AMuS Live Ticker

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zibby43 wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 08:53
Now AMuS is claiming that the Ferrari PU was not examined by the FIA post-Mexico:

Rumours that the FIA had investigated the Ferrari engine for alleged illegal tricks after the Mexico GP have turned out to be false.

Asking the FIA, they said: "There was no reason to investigate the Ferrari engine. Only when a protest is filed will we act."

via the AMuS Live Ticker
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What about this:
https://www.f1technical.net/news/20316
Is it still true that Ferrari uses this different system (at the time it seemed it was something exclusively available to Ferrari due to the partnership with Mahle) respect to others (Mercedes still uses HCCI)?

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Xwang wrote:
01 Nov 2019, 11:24
What about this:
https://www.f1technical.net/news/20316
Is it still true that Ferrari uses this different system (at the time it seemed it was something exclusively available to Ferrari due to the partnership with Mahle) respect to others (Mercedes still uses HCCI)?
Nobody in F1 uses HCCI as it is not compatible with rules, re-HCCI technical needs such as variable valve timing among other needs.

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Still nobody cracked the secret? Maybe there is non?

Let’s assume most gain on the straight is from their aero design, with lower drag. Up to 0.5 - 0.6s.

Than the engine is only 0.3s better than Mercedes.

Maybe there is no trick. Just a few kw under boost (e-supercharger) mode from the bigger turbo. A few kw from better fuel, since Shell is bigger then Petronas.

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Last yeas AMuS came up with gps data a few times. Have they published them this year after the summer break yet?

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Red Bull apparently made a specific request to the FIA ​​as to whether it would be allowed to proceed more liberally in measuring the gasoline flow rate than it is within the meaning of the rules. Gasoline flow is not measured continuously but at intervals. in addition of these measurements, the amount of gasoline must not exceed 100 kilograms per hour.
But what happens in the time between the measuring points? Anyone who deliberately injects fuel where measured values ​​are missing would supply more fuel to the combustion process than is permitted. And of course achieve more power, especially in the acceleration phases.
The FIA ​​has now responded to the official request from Red Bull with a technical directive. TD 039/19 states that such a practice would be illegal. Thus, the questioner has not won much. All he knows now is that a competitor would have to give up the trick in the future if he used it.
Mercedes, Honda and Renault will be in the qualifying and in the starting lap tomorrow at the Grand Prix now exactly look at whether Ferrari continues to make up for so much time on the straights on them. If so, they know they were wrong. If the game is played a few more times, Ferrari's opponents learn after the exclusion process at least what Ferrari does not.
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loner wrote:
02 Nov 2019, 21:32
Red Bull apparently made a specific request to the FIA ​​as to whether it would be allowed to proceed more liberally in measuring the gasoline flow rate than it is within the meaning of the rules. Gasoline flow is not measured continuously but at intervals. in addition of these measurements, the amount of gasoline must not exceed 100 kilograms per hour.
But what happens in the time between the measuring points? Anyone who deliberately injects fuel where measured values ​​are missing would supply more fuel to the combustion process than is permitted. And of course achieve more power, especially in the acceleration phases.
The FIA ​​has now responded to the official request from Red Bull with a technical directive. TD 039/19 states that such a practice would be illegal. Thus, the questioner has not won much. All he knows now is that a competitor would have to give up the trick in the future if he used it.
Mercedes, Honda and Renault will be in the qualifying and in the starting lap tomorrow at the Grand Prix now exactly look at whether Ferrari continues to make up for so much time on the straights on them. If so, they know they were wrong. If the game is played a few more times, Ferrari's opponents learn after the exclusion process at least what Ferrari does not.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
Nah too easy, why would they just do that in Qualifying? Sometimes in the race wouldn't hurt overall fuel consumption that much.
Also times between measurements are very very small (<1khz - 2,2khz).

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Reporting from Joe Saward: https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00577

On Saturday morning in Austin, the FIA issued a technical directive to the F1 teams detailing a system that Red Bull had proposed that might have allowed the team to run more than the allowed amount of fuel flow, based on using electircal noise to disrupt the sample pulses sent from the fuel flow metering units, that make sure the teams do not use too much fuel. The system was, of course, rejected by the FIA as being illegal.
It is clear, however, that Red Bull did this for a reason, knowing the suggestion would be rejected, but in order to have the FIA clarify what was acceptable and what was not acceptable. And thus draw a line in the sand. Red Bull is believed to have suspected that other teams might be using such a system, or something similar to it. Using more than the allowed fuel flow could create a situation in which a team might be able to burn more fuel at certain points in a race weekend, which would give the engine a little bit of extra power when it was most needed, particularly when accelerating at slow speeds, which would allow the car to carry the additional speed up through the acceleration curve and so produce a higher top speed.
It seems that the system that Red Bull created, based on experiments it conducted, allowed pulses going from the fuel flow-metre, which samples what is going on, to be disrupted by external electrical “noise”.
This grey area has now been closed and it will be interesting to see if it has any impact on the different levels of performance of the different F1 teams.

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[k]arl wrote:
02 Nov 2019, 22:10
Reporting from Joe Saward: https://www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00577
...It seems that the system that Red Bull created, based on experiments it conducted, allowed pulses going from the fuel flow-metre, which samples what is going on, to be disrupted by external electrical “noise”.
This grey area has now been closed and it will be interesting to see if it has any impact on the different levels of performance of the different F1 teams.
jamming the FIA sensor signal isn't much of a grey area is it! lol. i think AMuS' version is more credible, tho it's pretty vague. Maybe a waveform of some kind? Pulsing the column of fuel in the pipe out of phase with the sensor or something???