2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

[Scorpaguy]

...interesting topics above about the wet stuff:

Max...nobody makes it easier to be an anti-fan than he does. That being said, I would agree that his wet driving prowess is tops amongst the current drivers (hard to make comparisons with previous eras).

Lec..."top 3 in the wet". Not sure where this comes from, seems to have all the wet driving abilities of a Gila Monster IMHO (especially in the low downforce Big Red). His wet outing in the Alfa last year in Austin (FP's) was absolutely comical. Great driver no doubt, but not a wet specialist.

[Wynters]

Please! Just stop with the "My driver is best, your driver sucks!" stuff.

If you care, then you've already made up your mind (as has the other person) and discussion is pointless.
If you don't care, then you don't want to read it.

It's pointless for you and annoying for every other person who reads the thread.

[les arcs]

A reminder for the both of you.

FORMULA 1

"On a treacherous Interlagos track, Max Verstappen showed what an extraordinary talent he is."

Exceptional talent, Alonso has just stated he believes Max is the best driver in F1 atm. He's only going to get better with experience, still could end up a case of what if if he doesn't drop in the right seat at the right time.

I'm a bonafide Alonso fan, but I can't help but feel statements like that are just an underhanded dig at Hamilton's success.

+1

[Just_a_fan]

https://i.imgur.com/DmLMhvj.png

Nice info, thanks for posting.

[Just_a_fan]

Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.

Don't forget Hamilton, very wet Silverstone 2008. Finished over a minute ahead of P2 and lapped his team mate who was driving the same machinery.

Senna's Monaco drive is the stand out from the modern era, though.

[drunkf1fan]

Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.

The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.

Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.

[Wouter]

Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.

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The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.

Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.

Well said.

[Capharol]

https://i.imgur.com/DmLMhvj.png

Nice info, thanks for posting.

you're welcome

[NathanOlder]

Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.

The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.

Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.

Sorry I forgot Ricciardo and Rosberg are known for their wet weather abilities.

Going back to what I said originally, Max's drive that day was good. not in the same league as Senna 84, and Schumacher 96.

[dans79]

Don't forget Hamilton, very wet Silverstone 2008. Finished over a minute ahead of P2 and lapped his team mate who was driving the same machinery.

That's not even his best drive, Turkey 2006 is still better imo.

[Capharol]

Me'h, 2nd best car that season. New wet tyres, finished 3rd. Maybe I'm just not easily impressed. In that video James Allen mentions Senna at Monaco in 84, or Schumacher in Barcelona 96 as comparisons. The thing is , Senna finished 2nd in the 7th or 8th best car. And Schumacher won the race in the 3rd best car. So again, Max didnt win in the 2nd best car, and never overtook Lewis. For me , it ws a good recovery drive after a gamble that didn't pay off. He got extremely lucky with the safety car to bunch the field back up and net him a free pitstop.

The issue with that is Ricciardo started 13th after the last safety car, also on new wets, in the same car and he finished obviously 1st, no maybe 2nd right but he started 3 places ahead of Verstappen. Nope, Ricciardo finished 8th. Max make up 8 places more than Ricciardo did with the same car and tires, simply because he was much much faster. It was also the quality of moves he made, the decisions, finding the right lines. He was also extremely fast at all other points of this race, taking out Rosberg with the same age wet tire.

Dismissing it as "meh, he was in the second best car" is pretty ridiculous when you have two benchmarks there, Rosberg in a faster car and Ricciardo in the same car and he clearly was miles, absolutely miles faster than both.

Sorry I forgot Ricciardo and Rosberg are known for their wet weather abilities.

Going back to what I said originally, Max's drive that day was good. not in the same league as Senna 84, and Schumacher 96.

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for me this weekend is gonna be just, hopefully, another good fight between Mercs, RB and maybe Ferrari

[Wass85]

A reminder for the both of you.

FORMULA 1

"On a treacherous Interlagos track, Max Verstappen showed what an extraordinary talent he is."

Exceptional talent, Alonso has just stated he believes Max is the best driver in F1 atm. He's only going to get better with experience, still could end up a case of what if if he doesn't drop in the right seat at the right time.

I'm a bonafide Alonso fan, but I can't help but feel statements like that are just an underhanded dig at Hamilton's success.

Alonso has been massively complimentary towards Hamilton for basically the last decade, he's calling a spade a spade IMO.

[TimW]

Geez guys, just agree that it was a mediocre drive, especially since the spoilt kid was already 18 years old, and move on.

Sorry, these discussions are so ridiculous that I couldn't resist.

[Just_a_fan]

Don't forget Hamilton, very wet Silverstone 2008. Finished over a minute ahead of P2 and lapped his team mate who was driving the same machinery.

That's not even his best drive, Turkey 2006 is still better imo.

It was a good drive but not in F1 so even more OT than my post!

[Just_a_fan]

Geez guys, just agree that it was a mediocre drive, especially since the spoilt kid was already 18 years old, and move on.

Sorry, these discussions are so ridiculous that I couldn't resist.