2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

[Restomaniac]

I can now see why the FIA and Ferrari had a row over the phone.

Worse race pace and not even certain for the top spots anymore!

[TAG]

Bottas obviously hasn't been good enough these last 3 seasons or else he would be champion.

Based on what I saw in qualifying today, next season doesn't bode well for Bottas.

[LM10]

Wasn't Ferrari on a high DF setup again today?

Yes they were. Haven’t you seen the rear wings? That’s Monaco-spec.

So why were they slowest in the sector 2 where downforce matters??

It looks like the removed some drag and downforce to compensate for their loss of striagline speed
the TD has defenitely affected them

Because putting the biggest rear wing of all won’t make you fastest out of nothing? At least the difference is not as huge as it’s been in early season. They’ve been absolutely miles behind.

[Wass85]

Bottas obviously hasn't been good enough these last 3 seasons or else he would be champion.

Based on what I saw in qualifying today, next season doesn't bode well for Bottas.

After COTA it looked different, let's wait for Abu Dhabi for more evidence.

[Restomaniac]

Yes they were. Haven’t you seen the rear wings? That’s Monaco-spec.

So why were they slowest in the sector 2 where downforce matters??

It looks like the removed some drag and downforce to compensate for their loss of striagline speed
the TD has defenitely affected them

Because putting the biggest rear wing of all won’t make you fastest out of nothing? At least the difference is not as huge as it’s been in early season. They’ve been absolutely miles behind.

They have also been absolutely miles in front. Strangely since the TD’s not so much?

[Bill_Kar]

Wasn't Ferrari on a high DF setup again today?

Yes they were. Haven’t you seen the rear wings? That’s Monaco-spec.

So why were they slowest in the sector 2 where downforce matters??

It looks like the removed some drag and downforce to compensate for their loss of striagline speed
the TD has defenitely affected them

According to Binotto, they tried something different with the set up, it's not because of the TD but of course.
And it worked so well in Texas and they replicate it here in Sao Paolo. But beware folks, it's not the TD.

[siskue2005]

Yes they were. Haven’t you seen the rear wings? That’s Monaco-spec.

So why were they slowest in the sector 2 where downforce matters??

It looks like the removed some drag and downforce to compensate for their loss of striagline speed
the TD has defenitely affected them

Because it could be that Mercedes and Red Bull have more downforce??

And yet Redbull and Mercedes matched them in all S1 and S2, just fractions slower?
Where as in singapore, a track where redbul and merc should dominate, yet ferrari were 2 tenths faster than anyone else in the sector 1 with a short straight, but they cant go even 1 tenth faster than others in s1 and s3...it all came down to fractions.

Brazil fastest sector times


Singapore sector times


Sochi fastest sector times


As you can see, the tracks like sochi and singapore they have been faster in straights aswell as in the corners!
And YET since the TD they have misteriously shifted to high downforce setups and also slower in corner...and it worked so well in Austin that they are doing it in Brazil too

And YET it is not due to TD, it is only due to altitude, wind direction, earth rotation and also planetary alignment

[Brake Horse Power]

Yes they were. Haven’t you seen the rear wings? That’s Monaco-spec.

So why were they slowest in the sector 2 where downforce matters??

It looks like the removed some drag and downforce to compensate for their loss of striagline speed
the TD has defenitely affected them

According to Binotto, they tried something different with the set up, it's not because of the TD but of course.
And it worked so well in Texas and they replicate it here in Sao Paolo. But beware folks, it's not the TD.

[Mamba]

Wasn't Ferrari on a high DF setup again today?

Yup high downforce and the slowest in the middle sector!

Ferrari high DF equates the others medium to be honest... You can't be miles faster on the straights and lose all that time and more in the corners... It is possible for other teams to be faster you know!

Remember, they lost pole in Mexico already (On pure pace at least). Before all these TD shenanigans.

[Wass85]

So why were they slowest in the sector 2 where downforce matters??

It looks like the removed some drag and downforce to compensate for their loss of striagline speed
the TD has defenitely affected them

Because it could be that Mercedes and Red Bull have more downforce??

And yet Redbull and Mercedes matched them in all S1 and S2, just fractions slower?
Where as in singapore, a track where redbul and merc should dominate, yet ferrari were 2 tenths faster than anyone else in the sector 1 with a short straight, but they cant go even 1 tenth faster than others in s1 and s3...it all came down to fractions.

Brazil fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/932 ... 5a1fc9.jpg

Singapore sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/395 ... 803833.jpg

Sochi fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/036 ... 9e586f.jpg

As you can see, the tracks like sochi and singapore they have been faster in straights aswell as in the corners!
And YET since the TD they have misteriously shifted to high downforce setups and also slower in corner...and it worked so well in Austin that they are doing it in Brazil too

And YET it is not due to TD, it is only due to altitude, wind direction, earth rotation and also planetary alignment

The senna esses require downforce, it's not point and and squirt like Singapore.

Anyway forget downforce and such, these tyres are so finicky it could simply be a case of not getting on top of them this weekend.

[siskue2005]

Ferrari fans before the TD:
"Why cant everyone accept that Ferrari has the best engine and they are faster everywhere even in twisty circuits and definitely in faster circuits."

Ferrari fans after the TD:
"their pace depends on tyres, temperature, downforce levels, competitors downforce levels, wind direction, altitude, earth's rotation, planetary alignment!!!!"

Because it could be that Mercedes and Red Bull have more downforce??

And yet Redbull and Mercedes matched them in all S1 and S2, just fractions slower?
Where as in singapore, a track where redbul and merc should dominate, yet ferrari were 2 tenths faster than anyone else in the sector 1 with a short straight, but they cant go even 1 tenth faster than others in s1 and s3...it all came down to fractions.

Brazil fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/932 ... 5a1fc9.jpg

Singapore sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/395 ... 803833.jpg

Sochi fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/036 ... 9e586f.jpg

As you can see, the tracks like sochi and singapore they have been faster in straights aswell as in the corners!
And YET since the TD they have misteriously shifted to high downforce setups and also slower in corner...and it worked so well in Austin that they are doing it in Brazil too

And YET it is not due to TD, it is only due to altitude, wind direction, earth rotation and also planetary alignment

The senna esses require downforce, it's not point and and squirt like Singapore.

Anyway forget downforce and such, these tyres are so finicky it could simply be a case of not getting on top of them this weekend.

So are we gonna ignore all the facts i posted above??

[Brake Horse Power]

Yes :p

[Restomaniac]

I would love to have been there when Ferrari got the TDs.

I also agree with Binotto that they have made changes. Following the rules seems to be one if them.

[siskue2005]

Before the TD

Mexico fastest sector times

Two tenths faster in the sector with straights

Singapore fastest sector times

Two tenths faster in the sector with straights

Sochi fastest sector times

5 tenths faster in the sector with straights

After the TD

Brazil fastest sector times

Only fractionally faster in sectors with straights and slower in high downforce sctors

USA fastest sector times

Slower in sector with straights

Just putting it here, it defently seems that they have lost a huge time in sectors with straights after the TD

[Juzh]

Before the TD

Mexico fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/505 ... 06ebb2.jpg
Two tenths faster in the sector with straights

Singapore fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/395 ... 803833.jpg
Two tenths faster in the sector with straights

Sochi fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/036 ... 9e586f.jpg
5 tenths faster in the sector with straights

After the TD

Brazil fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/932 ... 5a1fc9.jpg
Only fractionally faster in sectors with straights and slower in high downforce sctors

USA fastest sector times
https://serving.photos.photobox.com/666 ... 0b9951.jpg
Slower in sector with straights

Just putting it here, it defently seems that they have lost a huge time in sectors with straights after the TD

I also noticed this and would agree recent TDs have hit ferrari's PU performance advantage, significantly even. Previously they would have blitzed those sectors with ease, now it's not happening at all.