2019 Brazilian Grand Prix - Interlagos, 15-17 November

[Capharol]

Ferrari fans before the TD:
"Why cant everyone accept that Ferrari has the best engine and they are faster everywhere even in twisty circuits and definitely in faster circuits."

Ferrari fans after the TD:
"their pace depends on tyres, temperature, downforce levels, competitors downforce levels, wind direction, altitude, earth's rotation, planetary alignment!!!!"

exactly my thoughts

And yet Redbull and Mercedes matched them in all S1 and S2, just fractions slower?
Where as in singapore, a track where redbul and merc should dominate, yet ferrari were 2 tenths faster than anyone else in the sector 1 with a short straight, but they cant go even 1 tenth faster than others in s1 and s3...it all came down to fractions.

Brazil fastest sector times
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Singapore sector times
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Sochi fastest sector times
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As you can see, the tracks like sochi and singapore they have been faster in straights aswell as in the corners!
And YET since the TD they have misteriously shifted to high downforce setups and also slower in corner...and it worked so well in Austin that they are doing it in Brazil too

And YET it is not due to TD, it is only due to altitude, wind direction, earth rotation and also planetary alignment

So are we gonna ignore all the facts i posted above??

seems like it

[izzy]

After Q3 i dont see Ferrari in p1 like they had a run of 5 pole positions before! and suddenly they are just second best cars. and they were only just fractions faster in the straighs, where they were even 4 to 5 tenths easily faster in ciruits like Singapore in the first sector alone, so now they are suddenly slower in a circuit where they are supposed to be faster by a mile.... so we can all now conlcude that 1+1=2

i was thinking this same thing!

[Wass85]

Yes I think it's safe to say Ferrari have been ordered to reel in what engine advantage they had.

They always had the engine but it didn't click until they got on top of their downforce problems, once they did they were unstoppable in qualifying for many races.

[Capharol]

After Q3 i dont see Ferrari in p1 like they had a run of 5 pole positions before! and suddenly they are just second best cars. and they were only just fractions faster in the straighs, where they were even 4 to 5 tenths easily faster in ciruits like Singapore in the first sector alone, so now they are suddenly slower in a circuit where they are supposed to be faster by a mile.... so we can all now conlcude that 1+1=2

i was thinking this same thing!

i guess its about time some ppl start saying sorry..... and not only here, but in the paddock to a certain person aswell

[Mamba]

Speed traps still show Ferrari on top. Vettel the more accurate comparison in terms of engine life. Honda's turn of straight line speed is rather incredible today!

[Restomaniac]

After Q3 i dont see Ferrari in p1 like they had a run of 5 pole positions before! and suddenly they are just second best cars. and they were only just fractions faster in the straighs, where they were even 4 to 5 tenths easily faster in ciruits like Singapore in the first sector alone, so now they are suddenly slower in a circuit where they are supposed to be faster by a mile.... so we can all now conlcude that 1+1=2

i was thinking this same thing!

i guess its about time some ppl start saying sorry..... and not only here, but in the paddock to a certain person aswell

Agreed. Verstappen was vilified for daring to call this issue straight.

[NathanOlder]

Verstappen in a league of his own, I'm getting good at this predicting lark.

1 tenth and thats a league of his own lol

Good session, looks good for tomorrow

Yes when you look at the gap to his teammate, he's making the difference in the car.

I hope Lewis can jump Seb at the start because I feel he's the only one that can challenge Red Bull for race pace.

Yeah I agree, Lewis is probably the only real shot we have for a battle for 1st.

[izzy]

i guess its about time some ppl start saying sorry..... and not only here, but in the paddock to a certain person aswell

to Max do you mean? I don't understand sorry. edit oh okay i see from @Restomaniac - the "cheating" thing. for me: a bit strong, but he has some actual data of course

for me anyway, for the time being (afaic i have a mind so i can change it ) Ferrari still seem to have a Q3 power advantage, but a bit less than before the TD's perhaps. Before the TD's, whatever they were doing was maybe edgy, naughty, kinda thing, and only now after the TD's would it have been 'cheating'. But if they've stopped then they're not cheating are they?

Meanwhile Honda certainly deserve a mention for how they're going up that hill. Max was extremely fast, as usual. Lewis could really do with being in second out of T2 to have any chance of staying with him as @Nathan says

[f1jcw]

i guess its about time some ppl start saying sorry..... and not only here, but in the paddock to a certain person aswell

to Max do you mean? I don't understand sorry. edit oh okay i see from @Restomaniac - the "cheating" thing. for me: a bit strong, but he has some actual data of course

for me anyway, for the time being (afaic i have a mind so i can change it ) Ferrari still seem to have a Q3 power advantage, but a bit less than before the TD's perhaps. Before the TD's, whatever they were doing was maybe edgy, naughty, kinda thing, and only now after the TD's would it have been 'cheating'. But if they've stopped then they're not cheating are they?

Meanwhile Honda certainly deserve a mention for how they're going up that hill. Max was extremely fast, as usual. Lewis could really do with being in second out of T2 to have any chance of staying with him as @Nathan says

No, no, no

If they was fooling the fuel monitoring system to get a boost then they wasn’t exploiting a grey area they was dam outright cheating.

The rule on fuel rate amount that can be used has always stood in this engine era. That they found away around isn’t just naughty, it is the same as taking a performance enhancing drug that is yet to be detected. It is still cheating.

[NathanOlder]

@Mamba and izzy

To be fair on the engine comparisons, remember RedBull had basically a brand new engine for Japan.

Only the Mercs and Seb have true engines for comparisons

[izzy]

No, no, no

If they was fooling the fuel monitoring system to get a boost then they wasn’t exploiting a grey area they was dam outright cheating.

The rule on fuel rate amount that can be used has always stood in this engine era. That they found away around isn’t just naughty, it is the same as taking a performance enhancing drug that is yet to be detected. It is still cheating.

okay i am cutting them a bit of slack for being awesomely clever and i am here to be awed basically. And we don't really know what they were doing exactly. It could've been some intercooler fluid or signal jamming or pump pulses or who knows, all of those, in some shade of grey area. If FIA have acted and they've stopped i'm content

[f1jcw]

No, no, no

If they was fooling the fuel monitoring system to get a boost then they wasn’t exploiting a grey area they was dam outright cheating.

The rule on fuel rate amount that can be used has always stood in this engine era. That they found away around isn’t just naughty, it is the same as taking a performance enhancing drug that is yet to be detected. It is still cheating.

okay i am cutting them a bit of slack for being awesomely clever and i am here to be awed basically. And we don't really know what they were doing exactly. It could've been some intercooler fluid or signal jamming or pump pulses or who knows, all of those, in some shade of grey area. If FIA have acted and they've stopped i'm content

It’d have being interesting if they had won the wdc with it....

But they gained a Monza win with it, maybe Spa?

[yelistener]

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Speed traps still show Ferrari on top. Vettel the more accurate comparison in terms of engine life. Honda's turn of straight line speed is rather incredible today!

Mercedes is completely a dog on straights lol

[izzy]

@Mamba and izzy

To be fair on the engine comparisons, remember RedBull had basically a brand new engine for Japan.

Only the Mercs and Seb have true engines for comparisons

Yes, still if you think where they were not long ago, it's quite impressive. They've really committed. also party mode isn't as sensitive to mileage i don't think, as race modes, and party mode was a big block for a long time

[izzy]

It’d have being interesting if they had won the wdc with it....

But they gained a Monza win with it, maybe Spa?

oh fair comment lol, if they'd beaten Lewis with it i'd have been outraged!!!

I don't think it worked in races especially, they still only have 105kg after all. obviously grid position is gold, but not the whole story once they're running 1,2