Scuderia Ferrari have been fined €50000 by the stewards after the technical delegate reported that the team had put nearly 5kg more fuel into the car than reported by the team.
damn was Vettel that way backUnc1eM0nty wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 17:58Great end to the last race of the season
Bottas chasing down Leclerc, Vettel chasing down Gasly, Perez on Norris and Sainz on Hulk, the director didn't know here to look
Moar of this next season please
Did Ferrari get a new chassis in the last few races or something? I remember their chassis doing so well in Singapore and that circuit is pretty much all sector 3 Abu Dhabi. Coming into the new season, I'd be worried with such an inexplicable loss of overall performance. They don't have the same legs on the straights and now have an even larger gap in the twisty section. I'm sure it's nothing they won't be able to figure out over the winter break.
Hence all being on ignore list. Actually for another 100 reasons as well, but this one just goes to the top of the pile.Sevach wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 17:51In a race where we saw Leclerc blast past Verstappen no DRS, Vettel not doing the same just because he got scared of being on the outside of Verstappen.
And later Vettel coming from way behind to be ahead of Albon in the braking point, and then completing an overtake halfway of next the straight they are still going on about the engine...
Vettel also managing to attack Bottas without DRS, Bottas on Hulk's slipstream being roughly equal to Vettel taking air to the face.
Even Bottas second by far in the WDC just shows it is much more about the W10 than about Hamilton.
It's been Hamilton AND the W10
Not saying Hamilton didnt do a good job, but honestly feel that both Verstappen and Leclerc would have gotten the same result with that W10. The biggest differentiating factor was clearly their car advantage, as I tried to point out that even Bottas managed to secure P2 with ease. If that happens you know you got a dominating car above anything else.Capharol wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:30It's been Hamilton AND the W10
So what this is called "motorsports" for a reason not "athletics"Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:34Not saying Hamilton didnt do a good job, but honestly feel that both Verstappen and Leclerc would have gotten the same result with that W10. The biggest differentiating factor was clearly their car advantage, as I tried to point out that even Bottas managed to secure P2 with ease. If that happens you know you got a dominating car above anything else.
Yes, but especially true in F1 which is not an equal car championship. Doesnt mean we cannot analyze and draw conclusions ourselves.siskue2005 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:39So what this is called "motorsports" for a reason not "athletics"Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:34Not saying Hamilton didnt do a good job, but honestly feel that both Verstappen and Leclerc would have gotten the same result with that W10. The biggest differentiating factor was clearly their car advantage, as I tried to point out that even Bottas managed to secure P2 with ease. If that happens you know you got a dominating car above anything else.
Yep, it's called formula one for a reason, even though it seems several would prefer it to be just another crap spec series. For example Crofty, who I would actually pay to have fired.siskue2005 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:39So what this is called "motorsports" for a reason not "athletics"
It is meaningless to do that, especially is f1, you earn your drive and Lewis like many others before have earned their drive in a top team due to their performance in junior formulae or in previous cars. You cannot change that or second guess that, that will make no sense at all.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:42Yes, but especially true in F1 which is not an equal car championship. Doesnt mean we cannot analyze and draw conclusions ourselves.siskue2005 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:39So what this is called "motorsports" for a reason not "athletics"Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:34
Not saying Hamilton didnt do a good job, but honestly feel that both Verstappen and Leclerc would have gotten the same result with that W10. The biggest differentiating factor was clearly their car advantage, as I tried to point out that even Bottas managed to secure P2 with ease. If that happens you know you got a dominating car above anything else.
It's always the car and the driver combination that wins. Neither in isolation. To say so snd so could have also win is a no brainer. A good driver also makes good decision at the right time, outside of the car too. Sitting in a car not capable of winning championship, can only make him a recipe for whatifs. There are others who couldn't win while their team mate has been running away with championships, looking like absolute second rate. There have been seasons like 2012, 2017 and 18 where faster car didn't win the championship for a number of reasons.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:42Yes, but especially true in F1 which is not an equal car championship. Doesnt mean we cannot analyze and draw conclusions ourselves.siskue2005 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:39So what this is called "motorsports" for a reason not "athletics"Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:34
Not saying Hamilton didnt do a good job, but honestly feel that both Verstappen and Leclerc would have gotten the same result with that W10. The biggest differentiating factor was clearly their car advantage, as I tried to point out that even Bottas managed to secure P2 with ease. If that happens you know you got a dominating car above anything else.
Respectfully disagree, car is such an dominant factor that excluding it from the achievement and making it like Lewis did some superhuman effort makes a mockery of actual great achievements in the sport. Like Kimi 2007, Lewis 2008, Schumi 2000 and perhaps 2003.siskue2005 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:46It is meaningless to do that, especially is f1, you earn your drive and Lewis like many others before have earned their drive in a top team due to their performance in junior formulae or in previous cars. You cannot change that or second guess that, that will make no sense at all.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:42Yes, but especially true in F1 which is not an equal car championship. Doesnt mean we cannot analyze and draw conclusions ourselves.siskue2005 wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:39
So what this is called "motorsports" for a reason not "athletics"
Singapore is bumpy, Yas Marina is silky smooth, not the same thing at all.TAG wrote: ↑01 Dec 2019, 18:06Did Ferrari get a new chassis in the last few races or something? I remember their chassis doing so well in Singapore and that circuit is pretty much all sector 3 Abu Dhabi. Coming into the new season, I'd be worried with such an inexplicable loss of overall performance. They don't have the same legs on the straights and now have an even larger gap in the twisty section. I'm sure it's nothing they won't be able to figure out over the winter break.
