2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina Circuit, 29 - 1 November/December

[siskue2005]

apparently it was senior people in Mercedes who said this to Ted (how sweet is that? )

lol.

But what is the benefit to run more fuel than the declared ones?
Coz the TD posted above shows:
Tombazis notes that "The difference between the pre- and post-race fuel masses will be assumed to be the measured fuel mass used (which clearly includes laps to the grid, formation laps, fire-ups etc.).

"It can be compared to the integrated FFM [fuel flow meter] figures and to the fuel injectors model figures in order to provide confirmation of the validity of these readings.

"Please note that the pre-race fuel mass that gets used for this calculation is either the declared mass, or the measured mass if this has been randomly checked."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... s/4339766/

So is this how they are managing to burn more fuel than they are allowed to? and fooling the fuel flow meter?

yes i don't know. I mean just for one car? And isn't it a bit obvious, if it's deliberate? And i thought Abu Dhabi isn't a high consumption circuit and they often or generally don't start with the full 110kg anyway

Yeah, i also dont know.. whatever it is the FIA is not gonna make it public

[siskue2005]

Do anyone have a video of Sainz overtaking Hulkenberg on the last lap? it seems Hulkenberg lost his position to riccardo aswell in the end.

[Restomaniac]

SKY mentioned that comment to Vettel of ‘Engine Mode 4 please’ and when he asked why it was just ‘because we have to’.
It all seemed a little cryptic.

[Pyrone89]

I just think it’s funny, everybody said Hamilton wouldn’t win another race ever joining merc, now all his success is down to being in a dominant car.... smh

When he joined Merc it was a different era and he didnt get much, the year after the hybrid era started with a dominant Merc and the winning started.

SKY mentioned that comment to Vettel of ‘Engine Mode 4 please’ and when he asked why it was just ‘because we have to’.
It all seemed a little cryptic.

Yeah, not saying they are up to no good but they are not helping their cause

[turbof1]

Ted is saying:
Ferrari are apparently arguing that a technical directive is a guideline and not a sporting rule and therefore not subject to sanction.

apparently it was senior people in Mercedes who said this to Ted (how sweet is that? )

lol.

But what is the benefit to run more fuel than the declared ones?
Coz the TD posted above shows:
Tombazis notes that "The difference between the pre- and post-race fuel masses will be assumed to be the measured fuel mass used (which clearly includes laps to the grid, formation laps, fire-ups etc.).

"It can be compared to the integrated FFM [fuel flow meter] figures and to the fuel injectors model figures in order to provide confirmation of the validity of these readings.

"Please note that the pre-race fuel mass that gets used for this calculation is either the declared mass, or the measured mass if this has been randomly checked."
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... s/4339766/

So is this how they are managing to burn more fuel than they are allowed to? and fooling the fuel flow meter?

I have to say that is presumptuous. We don't even know if they are fooling the fuel flow meter. To be honest several theories have come and gone the last few weeks. In the meanwhile, under and overfueling isn't all too rare. Remember that Hamilton and Vettel were both disqualified for too little fuel in the car for the fuel sample bacdk in 2012. Ferrari having more fuel in the car than they indicated could just as well be a miscalculation or accident.

[holeindalip]

I just think it’s funny, everybody said Hamilton wouldn’t win another race ever joining merc, now all his success is down to being in a dominant car.... smh

When he joined Merc it was a different era and he didnt get much, the year after the hybrid era started with a dominant Merc and the winning started.

SKY mentioned that comment to Vettel of ‘Engine Mode 4 please’ and when he asked why it was just ‘because we have to’.
It all seemed a little cryptic.

Yeah, not saying they are up to no good but they are not helping their cause

He won before merc and he will win after....

[turbof1]

I just think it’s funny, everybody said Hamilton wouldn’t win another race ever joining merc, now all his success is down to being in a dominant car.... smh

When he joined Merc it was a different era and he didnt get much, the year after the hybrid era started with a dominant Merc and the winning started.

SKY mentioned that comment to Vettel of ‘Engine Mode 4 please’ and when he asked why it was just ‘because we have to’.
It all seemed a little cryptic.

Yeah, not saying they are up to no good but they are not helping their cause

He won before merc and he will win after....

Nobody is doubting the talent of Hamilton. However, you cannot win with a poor car. Hamilton always won because the car he drove at whatever team was always capable of winning. It's his credit that he extracted that potential from the cars he drove, just that you can't deny the car's involvement in that. That's no criticism or dislike towards Hamilton. There's no world champion able to say "I won a championship with a backfield car".

For the record, Hamilton would never have won with the 2013 McLaren car. I'd say his timing to leave McLaren was spot on.

[siskue2005]

When he joined Merc it was a different era and he didnt get much, the year after the hybrid era started with a dominant Merc and the winning started.


Yeah, not saying they are up to no good but they are not helping their cause

He won before merc and he will win after....

Nobody is doubting the talent of Hamilton. However, you cannot win with a poor car. Hamilton always won because the car he drove at whatever team was always capable of winning. It's his credit that he extracted that potential from the cars he drove, just that you can't deny the car's involvement in that. That's no criticism or dislike towards Hamilton. There's no world champion able to say "I won a championship with a backfield car".

That is why we call it "Motorsports" not "athletics' or "gymnastics", especially in f1.

Even in spec series there are some teams who dominate, which shows that those teams have extracted the maximum of their package.

So it is a team sports, it all depends on the team and the driver

People making it to discredit a driver or a team dont really understand the sport.

[turbof1]

He won before merc and he will win after....

Nobody is doubting the talent of Hamilton. However, you cannot win with a poor car. Hamilton always won because the car he drove at whatever team was always capable of winning. It's his credit that he extracted that potential from the cars he drove, just that you can't deny the car's involvement in that. That's no criticism or dislike towards Hamilton. There's no world champion able to say "I won a championship with a backfield car".

That is why we call it "Motorsports" not "athletics' or "gymnastics", especially in f1.

Even in spec series there are some teams who dominate, which shows that those teams have extracted the maximum of their package.

So it is a team sports, it all depends on the team and the driver

People making it to discredit a driver or a team dont really understand the sport.

To be honest, I think the issue is more that people see discredit when there isn't. It happens when the point is hanging on one piece of the team (driver or car) being fantastic and then somebody jumping in "'what about the other pieces?". Hamilton did fantastic and the team build a fantastic car. It's not that one excludes the other.

Moving on: this is taking rather long to come to a decision from the stewards...

[Pyrone89]

I just think it’s funny, everybody said Hamilton wouldn’t win another race ever joining merc, now all his success is down to being in a dominant car.... smh

When he joined Merc it was a different era and he didnt get much, the year after the hybrid era started with a dominant Merc and the winning started.

SKY mentioned that comment to Vettel of ‘Engine Mode 4 please’ and when he asked why it was just ‘because we have to’.
It all seemed a little cryptic.

Yeah, not saying they are up to no good but they are not helping their cause

He won before merc and he will win after....

Did I say he didnt or wont?

[Wass85]

Listen Hamilton has driven very well but it's not a given he's been the best driver this season.

Max has a reasonable shout at that and so does Leclerc considering the circumstances.

On one hand you have to give it to Lewis because of his consistency on a Sunday but for the most part he's had the best race car.

Does that top Max's relentless speed with a few errors which are down to overdriving?

What about Leclerc getting 7 poles and beating a 4x world champion in his first season in the team?

[Pyrone89]

Nobody is doubting the talent of Hamilton. However, you cannot win with a poor car. Hamilton always won because the car he drove at whatever team was always capable of winning. It's his credit that he extracted that potential from the cars he drove, just that you can't deny the car's involvement in that. That's no criticism or dislike towards Hamilton. There's no world champion able to say "I won a championship with a backfield car".

That is why we call it "Motorsports" not "athletics' or "gymnastics", especially in f1.

Even in spec series there are some teams who dominate, which shows that those teams have extracted the maximum of their package.

So it is a team sports, it all depends on the team and the driver

People making it to discredit a driver or a team dont really understand the sport.

To be honest, I think the issue is more that people see discredit when there isn't. It happens when the point is hanging on one piece of the team (driver or car) being fantastic and then somebody jumping in "'what about the other pieces?". Hamilton did fantastic and the team build a fantastic car. It's not that one excludes the other.

Moving on: this is taking rather long to come to a decision from the stewards...

Yeah, would think this a clear case based on measurements. Suprised they had to do it post-race to begin with and not sure what is now the hold up.

[siskue2005]

Moving on: this is taking rather long to come to a decision from the stewards...

Yup three hours is a bit long

[turbof1]

Listen Hamilton has driven very well but it's not a given he's been the best driver this season.

Max has a reasonable shout at that and so does Leclerc considering the circumstances.

On one hand you have to give it to Lewis because of his consistency on a Sunday but for the most part he's had the best race car.

Does that top Max's relentless speed with a few errors which are down to overdriving?

What about Leclerc getting 7 poles and beating a 4x world champion in his first season in the team?

Since we are going down that way, how about Sainz and/or Norris? Didn't they showed excellent things given the lesser car?

Doesn't always have to be a top 3 team driver .

[siskue2005]

Ferrari fined. Leclerc P3.
its a 50k fine lmao